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Evolution. God. Faith. Belief. Sides.
God? Who to believe? Who to believe? Which side to pick? Lately I've been thinking a lot to myself. I've been going over if I really do believe in God. I've been going over where I stand. I've been going over how much faith I've ever had, and if there was or is even any. With evolution just brought up awhile ago in Biology, my head has been spinning at different angles. At different things to believe. My faith towards God as I see it has always been dim. There is some. But it isn't much, at least not to me. Believing in God has been and is one of the hardest things for me to accept. As I see it somewhat, I see God as a personification of what humans most want. They want to be great. They want to live forever. They want to be perfect. They want everything to be explained. They want absolution and to believe life has a reason. God to me somewhat humanity's manifestation of something purely how they wish things would be. Of how good conscience and ways should be rewarded. Of how being a good, nice, giving person will give you something in return other than a feeling of righteousness. But I've put all of that aside, and I've tried to find God, whoever he is. Whatever he is. And I still haven't really. God just doesn't seem logical in my mind. The harder I try to see him the more clouded and far away I am from him. Why would God love humanity as whole if they are just slowly destroying what he so built? Why are we any better than any other animal? Why should we be seen as special and different that everything else? Why? Why doesn't God do anything to stop what is being done to our dear Earth? He has to be feeling something for what is being destroyed. He has to care. Even he should be mad about it. I know I am. Why would he want us to worship him like we are supposed to as Christians? If he loves us even though we sin and sin, and he loves even those who are his enemies. Why is there church? My God that I've been trying to find would not believe in such worshiping. Religion to me is personal thing—it should stay there, in privacy of worship. I do not deny that there is a possibility that there is a God—but I'm growing farther and farther from the conclusion that there is a God. That there is a supreme being. How can I believe something when there is so little evidence I've found to prove it? How can I believe in God? And with the advent of me learning more about Evolution, I've lost even more of my faith. But I'm still uncertain where I stand. Both sides are wrong and right at the exact same time. Both could coexist with one another in one way or another. But I want a definite answer in my mind. I want to be able to not flinch or fall back when someone asks me if I do believe in God or not. I don't think it will be like that for a long time, though. I have a long ways to go before I can stand on one side of the scale and say Evolution and science is right, and there is no God. Or that there's a God, or that they all coexist. It is troubling and hard to try and delve into myself and pick a side. It is hard to believe in something. It is really, really hard. I can tell you I am leaning more towards not believing in God. I've tried and tried to find God in my life, and either I am looking too hard, or he just isn't there. I do not want this thread to turn into a flaming of religions. I do not want this thread to turn into hate and absolute spam about how it is wrong to believe in one thing or another. Believing is a personal and opinionated fashion and statement. Please, if you have nothing better to say then hate, then do not post in this thread. I want this to be some civil discussion. So I want to know. I want to know your thoughts on God, on Evolution. I want to know where you stand. |
*quietly waits for James to bring up Telling Lies for God*
My basis stance on this is that I believe in original Creation and continuing evolution. I.... |
It's a shame the theory of evolution is just a theory, and not a fact. It certainly would bring a level of satisfaction to see those annoying converters drop to their knees in tears.
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I dunno I've been confused about this for a while. I mean the theory of evolution is more easy (for me) to understand then Adam and Eve. I mean we do have proof that dinosaurs did live on this earth at one time but we have no proof of Adam and Eve except the bible. I'm not saying they never exsisted I'm just saying that its easier to belive in evidence.
Oh well I'm still confused on the whole thing cause I still believe in God. |
I believe in god and an evolution theory of sorts.
I dont believe in straight up evolution as preached by so many. It is still just a theory, and will stay that way until some one can find a large number of big plugs for the nasty holes in the theory. Although it looks good and makes sense, there are several spots where the scientist who support the theory must make jumps and I dont like making "jumps" in science. I believe in the theory of "survival of the fittest." which is the theory proposed by darwin, which is so often qouted and called evolution although darwin did not propose "evolution" specifically. Isn't it possible that a species is a species and within the species we can evolve, but we do not cross from one species to another. I guess Im just gonna give up on this... Bottom line is that I believe in god, and I believe in the deviation of a species, but not the evolution of one species into another. Dogs are dogs, cats are cats... monkeys are monkeys and people are people. We are not all the same and if we had been at one point there would be animals out there that are a mix of the most beneficial aspects of both species. That would be perfectly reasonable using the very same concept that all "darwinist" use... survival of the fittest. |
Well, I as Mitch, have been having a hard time with religion. I have grown up in a Christian home, and always gone to a parochial school. So, it's not like I have no idea about religion... I find that always going to the parochial school, and going to church seems to be pushing me away. I "know" that there is a God, now if I believe that, I'm not quite sure anymore. I don't really know what I believe, it's always been taught me that "Evolution is wrong" and "God is the creator of the universe", never even giving me a chance to make a decision for myself.
I guess there is something higher, not neccessarily a God, but there is a higher being. Like a supreme soul, or something like that, I don't know. But with the whole Evolution thing, I remember learning that in school, and well my teacher taught it as if it were fact, but then again it was Newville... (she's great). I suppose having taking theology classes all my life and having that shoved down my throat, taught me that Creation is the truth. And well I know what certain church doctrine's teach, and what my teacher's believe, I could probably quote them, but the point is, that people are taught. For a person to actually sit down and choose, that is pretty impressive. A lot of things are taught to us as kids when we are young, and then we(they) just grow up believing what they were taught, no questions asked. Once they are older though, many find themselves (as I) questioning what they believe, because they never fully understood what they were learning. But personally Mitch, I think I am just as confused as you are about this whole thing. There are a few things though that seem to make Evolution seem false. But yeah, I don't know. |
Re: Evolution. God. Faith. Belief. Sides.
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I believe in God, and some sort of the evolution that Gokents mentioned. O_o' The mutating and everything else just doesn't seem to make sense to me, personally.. |
God- I beleive God is not a set entity with a personality. The definition of God has drifted to that, but if you think about it, God could be set in any of the theories- The Big bang, the very snap that started the massive expansive explosion outwards could be called God. Evolution, the first organisms to begin to devolp into something greater and beyond could be called God. I think we defined what God is too fast, and it set in our minds that it couldnt be anything BEYOND a single entity, or multiple entitys. I think that maybe the word "God" can truely represent anything, if you are openminded about it. So I do believe in a God, in some form, some fashion, some place.
Evolution- I honestly dont believe in this theory. In some ways, its more farfetched than the Creation theory. Luck isnt that good- Life isnt that presistant that by complete chance, organisms evolve. It might exist in a form- As in adapting, species editing themselves to their surrondings [IE, Humans in higher elevations have larger lungs in general.]. But the statement that all of us originated from some primal form seems folly to me. So I suppose I believe in a form of it, but not in the theory that we all came from some small organism. *nods* Creation- Hmm. I grew up learning this, and sometimes it seems so farfetched, yet so down to Earth. I guess I beleive in this the most, hm. So I have some sort of hybrid form of each, I suppose. Then again, none of us can be totally sure- So who knows? Maybe God is a massive, old oak tree in Washington state on a hill, just watching a city and waiting for the right time. |
Gokents covered my bases pretty well on the theory of evolution. (That one joke about evolution: if we evolved from monkeys, then why are they still here? .:rotflmao:.)
And as for cold hard fact...well, it's all a matter of faith, not fact. You could say it's an afterlife gamble you're taking. I do have my moments when I wonder if I'm really going the right way or not. Most of the time, I'm cool with God though. Love to you all, but what saddens me is, in this day and age, we are so caught up in instantaneous solutions that anything that takes more than an hour to prove is dismissed as, well...*rereads Mitch's first post and chooses words carefully*...not worth looking into. Frankly, I could be doing a better job of reaching to God, instead of being caught up in the menial current of society. *dies laughing of embarrassment* Meh, yeah, anyways, my final word is, no matter what any of us humans say, it all comes down to what is between you and God. Don't look to us. Don't listen for what you want to hear. It's all between you and God. |
Here's my opinion Mitch, it is my hope that everyone can read this with an open heart, especially those who think they're going to see us converters drop to our knees in tears, so to speak. There is a god; there is plenty of evidence for it. More so evidence for the Christian God more than any other God. I will explain in detail the evidence, the facts, and the proof. What about Noah’s Ark? Did all those animals stay on one tiny boat? No, only two of each. And it is possible that the variating species of cat, dog ect. Happened at Babylon, I will explain that further later in this piece. Noah's ark was discovered on Mt Ararat. I've seen it, it the remains of a giant wooden boat, what else could it be? There is a distinct pattern of sediments, and fossils, as well as canyons and caves that could have only been created, and point to, a catastrophic flood of biblical proportions. Are these fossils of fish and reptiles really our ancestors? Evidence speaks against it. The evolution of earth is ridiculously coincidental. It involves the most unlikely of situations, including a primordial soup from which a random spark of energy sparked random one celled life. This does not say, however, how that random spark could have possibly created all the coding in our genes making it possible to reproduce. It is the same possibility that a tornado can rip through a junkyard and come out with an F-15 fighter jet. It is the same possibility that you could throw all the necessary parts to make a computer in to one wooden box, spin the box around and while it was spinning, randomly solder the parts together until a supercomputer just, happens. The watch and the universe a complex, yet no one doubts that a watch comes from the watchmaker, how can you look at this world, this functionality, and design that is apparent in everything the lord created, the various planta and life forms, the mysteries of the bottomless oceans. The sunrise and fall without fail everyday. It soon becomes apparent that this design was no coincidence. Any closer to the sun, we would be too hot to survive, any further, and we would be too cold. This planet is in the exact place for life to sprout, furthermore, the earth is on the exact right axial tilt for the whole earth to get is fair quota of sunlight. The ecologists claim tat about 1% change in the earths atmosphere will bring a cosmic doom, turn that coin around, how did it get so delicate in the first place? Someone went to a lot of trouble, to balance things here. PROPHECY Prophecy is the key to all matters godly, it says in the bible that in the last days, there will be many god wannabes, so to speak, and that God will prove to creations that he is the one and only God, by predicting future events. I know, it's the same as Nostradamus, but God says in the bible, that only the Bible will get it 100% correct. There are many flaws in Nostradamus prophecy, which seem to detail on America most of all, albeit, I agree his revelations on America are startlingly true, he has got a lot of things wrong. But here are the bible prophecies that have been fulfilled. In exact detail. The Birth of Jesus (oldest scroll dates back to 90 B.C) I know, the sceptics say it is vague, and could be applied to anything, but I implore you to seriously consider these points about the Jesus prophecies. Born in Bethlehem (how can you dictate where you are born?) Born of a virgin (how?) Born in a time when people will weep because of him (Herod slaughtered thousands of innocent children, hoping to get the messiah, and the parents of those children mourned and wept) At crucifixion He was nailed between two thieves (do you know a judge who will send you to a prison cell with whoever you choose, well, Jesus did not know where his cross would be did he?) Given sour wine and pierced in the stomach (it was common for roman soldiers to break the victims legs at crucifixion. But since Jesus died s u=suddenly, in three hours, they did not, instead, they pierced his side with a spear to see if he was still alive) All these things have passed. Here are some in modern times, which have set into motion, the final revelation. Rebirth of Israel as a nation, No coincidence, this happened in 1948. The rebirth of Israel is certainly not vague; the Bible described the land it would take to a perfect degree. The seventh empire of the world, the advanced European union (the bible talked about a seventh kingdom on the earth, this is it. the seventh major empire on the earth) A new world Order, the coming antichrist, and one government for the whole earth. (While technically not fulfilled yet, the bud of this prophecy has sprouted as the United Nations) So you see, there are plenty of reasons for you Mitch, and others to believe in God, these are but a few. This goes of other Otakuons today; you can simply say a prayer of salvation and be saved right now! In your own home! God has given you the evidence you have laughed at and said it's non-existent. When you ask 'where is the evidence' God replies in full with servants like myself Now he awaits your response, and what you plan to do with the evidence you have been waiting for. God is not distant and angry, he loves you, and he want's to draw you near today ;) Oh, and God has left us to sort out our own problems, while caring for each one of us on a spiritual plain. I agree with deathknight too, God could have created the earth using a big bang, or he could be an oak tree :p, but I dounbt it. jesus will return when the time is right, trust me, it will be soon. I hope :whoops: |
I've been brought up in a Catholic family, and thaught in a Catholic school. However, these recent years I've been morphing my vision of God into many different things. I refuse to believe that an organization of humans knows everything (like the Church has made me think at times). Instead, I prefer to use logic with religion.
For example, my Religion teacher (who's also a priest) doesn't just tell us "what is right and wrong". Instead, he lets us debate, and can make things sound pretty logical. However, there are a few things that I simply can't accept as wrong, and I have my own logical reasons for them. Here are a few examples of how some "impossible stuff" can happen: The Great Flood- A lot of people say that a flood big enough to cover the world is impossible. I have this question for those: How big was the known world back then? The flood only needed to cover a certain region, and nobody would be the wiser. Those unaffected by the flood could be ancestors of the Vikings, or the Indians, or Oriental people. The River of Blood- There is a certain part of the Nile that has reddish sediments. They are positioned in a way that it would only take a small quake, with just the right precision, to create red water. See, examples like this made me reach my current belief that God does not use miracle per se. Instead, he created a world full of possibilities and exceptions, and he just uses those exceptions when necesary. If it weren't for that, we would already be another chunk of rock in space. |
I believe in Evolution. I don't believe in God. Personally, its a lot easier for me to believe in the fact that we all evolved from monkeys. There are monkeys stil here because not all species of monkeys evolved into humans. My catholic school KILLED my faith in any kind of God due to the fact that they said:"Animals don't have souls.", "God forgives you no matter what!", and "Homosexuality is a sin!" But that's of subject. Anyway, I find it much easier to believ in evolution.
I actually saw a Documentary that showed that there was a flood simalar to the one in the bible. The Black Sea(i think) used to be spearated from the Mediterrian. Evantually, the area between those two bodys of water failed due to increasing water levels due to global warimng. Thousands of milions of tons of water thundered into the black sea area, raising its water level and destroying villages, etc. I still believe in evoloution. |
I don't believe in god. I believe in Buddha and the path to enlightenment. Nothing you can ay will dissaude me.
I just have a question: If God loves us so much, why does he let us kill each other and the planet? |
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