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[COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]Lets see. First off I've never come to Suggestion & Feedback before because the OB never needed it but in these past months I'm seeing a decrease in a desire to frequent these boards for a few reasons..

1. It seems that we get new members by the bundle every day and that
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[b]Note:[/b] I have been a member since 2003 and v6 under a seperate account.

I feel that this is the truth. No hate for any of the mods, but the staff for me has been a bit slack as of recent. I don't hold anything against the mods, but the facts are, there are members who are far more qualified and seasoned from the OBs who would be willing to accept a moderation position.

The lack of participation by Bio and Ozy in the Arena all together has me a bit concernced, as is the choosing of Mods who are basically new members from the past year and a half. I can name a dozen members off the bat whom I'm sure would do just a good a job, if not better, than some of the staff. I'm not saying that the staff in general is bad, nor do I hold a grudge against any of them. It's simply I find it unfair that some members were passed up for those important positions regardless of their experience and dedication to the Boards.

I seriously feel that Lady Katana and Revelation are great mods and should actually be given more responsibility, based on their dedication and involvment on the OBs as a whole. I feel that the selection of mods should be based on these factors. Proven dedication and involvment, and the choosing of mods as of recent doesn't reflect that at all.

Some Mods are great, competent and I think they're doing a bang up job. However, else where, I see neglect and a serious lack of involvment. There are several situations where I've seen a need for action to be taken only for it not to come at all. I see some Mods are younger than me, have less posts than me, and have been involved with the OBs for less time than me. Then I turn to see the other members and friends of mine who are leagues above me in these categories and wonder "Why not them?". Certainly they are more qualified, but I fear that it is a case of personal taste in selection rather than a business oriented deal. Again, I bare no grudge against the staff members. I just want to support the other members who are long time patrons to the OBs and yet get denied something I believe they deserve.

I hope these statements are not taken wrong from either me or AC!D!C, whom I thank for having the nerve to make this thread. I want the current Staff to understand I have nothing against them, I simply support the long time members whom I have grown to know and trust. I just feel that some of our voices need to be heard.

[b]P.S.[/b] - Oh, and yes. Charles' banner doesn't really reflect taste, nor do I think it's appropriate for the younger members of the OBs to have to see. Hell, it almost got me in trouble at one point when my Dad looked over to me on the computer and thought I was looking up porn. Heh. Not a huge deal, but it is bothersome.[/color][/size]

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I shall comment on the thing about the younger mods. James obviously hired them for good reason. They may have been on the boards for a short time, but that doesn't mean anything. They didn't come with bad quality. They arrived as if they have been members for as many years as some of us. And if they post just fine at the age of thirteen, what's it matter how old they are? As long as they do their job, it shouldn't matter about anything. I can understand about Bio and stuff, but still, a mod's job is harder than we make it out to be. James once told me he works them like dogs that we don't even see. I think we can give them a bit more credit than that.

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[quote name='AC!D!C][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1']1. It seems that we get new members by the bundle every day and that

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[COLOR=Sienna] [quote name='AC!D!C][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]Take this as you will but its just me exercising my freedom of speech.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE]Very well, then I will do the same. [QUOTE=AC!D!C][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]More so than inactivity is the age range of our mod staff, and lack of experience. Some moderators are only 14 or 15 (Aaryana is 13!), have less than 500 posts and haven

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[QUOTE=AC!D!C][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]Lets see. First off I've never come to Suggestion & Feedback before because the OB never needed it but in these past months I'm seeing a decrease in a desire to frequent these boards for a few reasons..

1. It seems that we get new members by the bundle every day and that

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[quote]1. It seems that we get new members by the bundle every day and that

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Hey, thread starter, aren't you the guy who misinterpreted one of my comments about a month ago, then proceeded to flame me via a private message entitled "Do Not Reply," at which time I did indeed reply seeking a rational discussion--to which you never replied?

I have to say, I'm a bit hurt. I view myself as a very sensible guy. To demonstrate this, I've changed my avatar as a good-will gesture. Celebrate!

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[size=1][url=http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?p=430792]Click Me[/url].

OtakuBoards was so much better 3 years ago.[/size]

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[size=1][B]@ Charles:[/B] Love your new avatar. Hahaha...

In any event, I think it tactless to toss out names and call them incompetent in a public forum. While my name wasn't really included in the bunch, and I appreciate you thinking I do my job well, this really should've been dealt with via PM for obvious reasons.

That aside, I admittely cannot forsee a drastic change, even if we were to do a moderator-shuffle to fill in the cracks and strengthen our ranks. Most of the power is with the member-base. It is you who makes intelligent threads, interesting RPGs, or beautiful works. All [i]we[/i] do is lock up the threads.[/size]

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[COLOR=DarkOrange][QUOTE=AC!D!C][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]
2. Our moderator staff. This is a big one in a few ways such as the Arena Underground mod Bio. He hasn't posted anything since February and he was last active at the beginning of this month. Is that not dereliction of duty? More so than inactivity is the age range of our mod staff, and lack of experience. Some moderators are only 14 or 15 (Aaryana is 13!), have less than 500 posts and haven

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[COLOR=#656446]Charles' avatar ain't porn. If you hum that [i]Numa numa ei[/i] song while looking at his avatar, you'll realize from the way it oddly keeps the song's rhythm that it's part of the promotional video.

Fo shizz yo.

[SIZE=1]This reply is a good counter-proof to the statement "high post count = mod candidate." Save it before it gets deleted.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

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[quote name='James][font=franklin gothic medium']But if I started going after people who do anything suggestive, most of our membership would disappear. lol[/font][/quote]

I know I'd be gone ;)

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[COLOR=SeaGreen]Hehehe! I think I love your new avatar too Charles. ^_^
[quote name='AC!D!C][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1] Some moderators are only 14 or 15 (Aaryana is 13!), have less than 500 posts and haven
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[QUOTE=Boo][size=1][url=http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?p=430792]Click Me[/url].

OtakuBoards was so much better 3 years ago.[/size][/QUOTE][font=century gothic][color=red]lol...omg...that is like the most awesome thread ever lol ;)[/color][/font]

[color=#4B0082]Okay, seriously now, James is right. It's easy to look back and remember the good while forgetting the bad. I try not to do that, however, and you know what I remember? People complaining two years ago when v7 launched, saying how things were so much better during v5 and v6. :animesigh

Anyway, James already addressed pretty much all the issues here, so I don't really want to repeat him. But there is one thing that has always struck a nerve with me whenever it's brought up:[/color]

[quote name='AC!D!C][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1]More so than inactivity is the age range of our mod staff, and lack of experience. Some moderators are only 14 or 15 (Aaryana is 13!), have less than 500 posts and haven

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[color=#555555][FONT=Tahoma]Is this your way of trying to become a moderator? It isn't working. :([/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote name='White][color=#555555][FONT=Tahoma]Is this your way of trying to become a moderator? It isn't working. :([/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]

[size=1]No, it's not. I know for a fact it's not. What it is, is that there is a group of OB members (oldies) that see the OB as going down hill, and they are concerned. They wanted to address their concerns/issues, and that's what this is.

Screw being a mod/admin, they're concerned about the OB.[/size]

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[color=#555555][FONT=Tahoma]Mmm.

I really don't see OtakuBoards going downhill at all. I remember that when the first new member was dubbed Moderator I was a little taken back myself. But I talked to James and he basically set me straight.

I'm not sure I see how OB is going downhill but it seems all AC!D!C is concerned with is Mods. Sure, I remember the old v6 days, and I remember them being good. But I also remember v7 coming and it getting so much better.

I can think of very little examples of a member who has posted a bad thread and it hasn't been taken care of. Nothing can be perfect, but I think OtakuBoards is very close.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote name='Athena][size=1']No, it's not. I know for a fact it's not. What it is, is that there is a group of OB members (oldies) that see the OB as going down hill, and they are concerned. They wanted to address their concerns/issues, and that's what this is.[/size][/quote]

[color=crimson]When [i]isn't[/i] OB going through some sort of rapid, cataclysmic decline in the eyes of some portion of the oldbie member base?[/color]

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Eh, I once (or twice) have started a similar type of thread in this very section, and although I nod to James's reasonings, I don't think this thread's criticism is [I]totally[/I] undeserved like Des suggested. At least not in the sense that [I]any[/I] criticism is undeserved, because feedback is always good - it either helps you realize the problems or strengthen your view that everything is just fine.

I don't know if it's a cultural thing or what, but it seems that many members (and mods alike) in here have a hard time taking in negative feedback about this boards. As the first two posters said, this thread is not meant as the personal attack against [I]all[/I] moderators as some people have interpreted it. I don't agree with many things they said, though - I see Aaryanna and Ozy as good and diligent mods, for instance - but they still have the right to voice out their opinions.

As I've said many times before, and James agrees with me, [I]Suggestions & Feedback[/I] section is [I]meant[/I] for this type of threads. If people can't post their concerns here without being instantly hammered down, where else can they turn?

OB is not a dictatorship where a word against those in "power" will get you banned immediately, and I sincerely hope it'll never become one either.

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[QUOTE=White][color=#555555][FONT=Tahoma]
I'm not sure I see how OB is going downhill but it seems all AC!D!C is concerned with is Mods. [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[size=1]Okay, I have something to bring to everyone's attention. I'm doing this because I'm very angry with the other members of MAMA. This is ri-goddamn-diculous about how these members are just leaving AC!D!C out to get picked apart. He took a risk, and posted because the other members have been to chicken-**** to post. So here it goes, to the best of my sane ability.

MAMA stands for "Members Against Mods and Admins". It's a group that's been "secretive" about their angst/anger/whatever the crap you want to call it of how they perceive the OB now from back-in-the-day. They're upset about all the new mods, the poor quality in posts these days, how "n00bs" are running the scene, and about how they feel that "oldies" are being treated poorly (mainly because they're sour that they aren't mods themselves instead of the new members). Honestly, I did go through an angst stage that I'd been here for a long time, and felt I didn't get the recognition I felt I deserved. Over the past six months or so, I just don't care anymore.

However, this group still does...and the issues AC!D!C posted on were not from his own mouth/mind, but from the members of MAMA who have done [b]NOTHING[/b] to back him up, or themselves up. Their excuse to not backing Joe up? "I don't see how it would help at this point now."

What the hell? You guys have IMed me, PMed me, RANTED AT/WITH ME about these such pressing issues, yet you are going to just sit here and do absolutely nothing; and let someone else take the fall? That excuse of "you're on your own now, nothing can help you" is not flying by me smoothly, at all. You're a member of this MAMA, [b]say something on your part[/b], damn it.

You know what, it appears to me that you guys got your a$$es handed to you, and now you don't know what to do. That's how I see this thread. You guys had no really solid footing for this broad discussion, and you've just made yourselves look like spoiled, tantrum-throwing children. Seriously, I'm very disappointed. You all know who you are.

Furthermore, if you have such drastic concerns, all you have to do is talk to James or Des. Both are very understanding, and will listen to whatever you have to say. I understand that it's very inimidating to some people, but I assure you that James and Des are both extremely pleasant and so easy to talk to.

So, grow up, or speak up.

[b]DeathKnight[/b]-- Oh, I know, I know. But some oldies cry more than others. And I'm tired of hearing them.[/size]

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[SIZE=1]Actually, Annie, I didn't even know Joe was a part of MAMA. Hell, I hardly knew who was a part of it until recently. I just want to say that not all the members are unhappy with all of the mods. I myself am not. In fact, there are only a couple that I feel have been given positions that I feel others could have done better.

I talk to quite a few of the mods and consider a few of them friends. They do a great job, but my main concern was the fact that members, like JJ, Sakura, The Boss etc who have been on the Boards for a long time, have had consistent post quality and always follow the rules don't get recognition they deserve.

I felt I had to say something as one of the members of the group you're having a go at, because you're grouping us all together. Not everyone has an extreme problem with the system here and I'm a little saddened that you felt it necessary to place us all together. I'm not having a go at you because I still consider you a friend, I just didn't want to be placed with something I didn't actually believe. I know you

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[size=1]See, that's exactly why people of MAMA or Viva Otaku need to post. Not everyone of them feels the same way, but who'd know if they don't speak up. Letting one person speak for the entire group doesn't help, and makes everyone look the same.

I'm glad you posted, 'zeke. It clears things up. And I'm sure Joe'll thank you for it later.

[b]Edit[/b]- And I thank you.[/size]

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*feels like he's seriously missed something*

Wait... MAMA? Viva Otaku? Is this... *gasp* ... a mutiny?! A conspiracy?! An underground movement?!?!

Exciting, but at the same time very, [I]very[/I] immature and pathetic. I mean, [I]come on![/I] You're rebelling because you haven't been made moderators just because you've been around for so-and-so many years?!

Well, why don't you take a number and [I]join the line[/I]! Or perhaps you should wonder if your attitudes have something to do with you being "mere" members?

And seriously, quality-wise OB is many times better than in the olden days. Just check that link Boo posted in the first page to see for yourselves!

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[quote name='Athena][size=1']MAMA stands for "Members Against Mods and Admins". It's a group that's been "secretive" about their angst/anger/whatever the crap you want to call it of how they perceive the OB now from back-in-the-day. They're upset about all the new mods, the poor quality in posts these days, how "n00bs" are running the scene, and about how they feel that "oldies" are being treated poorly (mainly because they're sour that they aren't mods themselves instead of the new members), etc, etc.[/size][/quote]

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[size=1]@ Charles- I know, right? And for the record, that's probably the most frightening picture post you've ever used, lol[/size]

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