Jakehammaren

So I checked out Autumn Aria. I will say, I was pleasantly suprised by the non-metalcore vocals. For some reason, I was expecting stupid metalcore yelping but was greeted with standard death growls instead which was nice. The clean vocals are good too. Not great, but good, and far better than I would have expected. I guess I think it's alright. Their music is far, far too embedded in the generic Gothenburger fare for me to ever really get into, but it's not bad. They have some interesting moments. I just don't really like those (as I already stated) generic recycled Gothenburg riffs. But they certainly can play their instruments, the songs are well thought-out and proficiently written, which is nice. Unfortunately, this style has been absolutely beaten to death, and as a result, the music feels tired and a bit boring. Oh, and there is a riff at 3:15 through "Embracing Infinity" that I swear has been done by every single death metal band in existence. I mean, like, every single one.

[quote name='0ber0n the Neko'] Note for the scrutinizing BM fan: Burzum is outspokenly NS, and Varg's later stuff isn't even really BM (no matter how good it is)[/QUOTE] A scrutinizing BM fan is obviously something you aren't, or you wouldn't be spouting such misinformation. Burzum's music is not NS. All the lyrics deal with fantasy, sorrow, despair, etc. Yes, Varg is a crazy Nazi nowadays, but Burzum's lyrics had nothing to do with politics. Plus, Burzum is amazing. "Jesus Tod" and "Dunkelheit" are some of the best black metal songs that have ever been recorded.

[quote name='Avenged666fold']Eh? What is wrong with old mans child?[/QUOTE] I just don't like it because it's boring and generic (and not in the fun tr00 kvlt way, either). Have you guys even HEARD the original black metal greats? Like, any of them at all?

[quote name='Avenged666fold'] Anyway I suggest [B]Old Mans Child [/B]for a good Black Metal band. Pick up [B]In Defiance of Existence.[/B][/QUOTE] Old Man's Child is so... shmeh. Oh well. Black metal is truly lost on most people anyway.

Ooooh, oooh, I have a name for the band! "Furries Unite in One Cup Under the Banner of Ron Paul".

[quote name='Metalcore501']Lol I get the username thing often Jake, when ever I talk about black metal many ask me why my name is Metalcore501. ANd to be compleatly honest I have no idea it was a name the stuck in my head so I used it. To what bands I listen to.... Gorgoroth, Satyricon, Goat Whore, Behemoth(which to my Knoledge is inbetween the genres of black metal and death metal), Laviathan, and Graveworm are the bands I listen to most often and the ones I can think of off the top of my head. But weather you think im a poser or not thats your opinion of which I carenothing about, I listen to many other bands that arn't Black Metal. I've saidit soo many times before, and I'll say it again I listen to what sounds good to me from Gorgoroth, to As I lay Dieing, to Carrie Underwood! ANd Avanged Ill check them out. :animesmil[/QUOTE] You listen to predictable mainstream black metal, but I'll give you major credit for not listing Dimmu Borgir or Cradle of Filth (neither of which are black metal). Leviathan is pretty legit. Satyricon is absolutely horrible nowadays. Ugh. You should try listening to good black metal instead. But I don't really feel like discussing anything with you until you learn to write English. Good lord, man... your posts display a mind-numbing level of literary ineptitude.

[quote name='Whoa, Mann'][SIZE="1"][COLOR="HotPink"] BLAST IT! We've lost another one to the hatred for music. And I thought someone with knowledge of such things as metal may be a handy advisary, but I thought wrong. "We are enemies now...You and I"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE] I take it that's a reference to the soundclip at the beginning of Children of Boredom's "Hatebreeder" (which was their best album, by the way - they are a terrible, horrible, worthless band now). Oh yeah, back to me hating music: Man, I hate music.

@ [B]Metalcore[/B] - What black metal do you listen to? I smell the ignorance of a poser... I hope I am wrong. You see, I happen to be a huge black metal fan. And something tells me, based on almost all of your posts, your screenname, and the fact that you like As I Lay Dying, that you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm very open to being proven wrong on this, and I hope you do so. @ [B]Goodbye, Face[/B] - You don't need to take Viking metal seriously. It's mostly about having a good time anyway. It's generally a fun genre that doesn't even take itself seriously most of the time. On different note, I went to an Amon Amarth show two nights ago. I have never in my life seen that many posers in one place. It was disgusting and pathetic. It's very, very sad what Amon Amarth's fanbase has come to. Damn you, Hot Topic! Seriously, I watched a kid wearing a Korn shirt buy an Amon Amarth shirt and put it on. My favorite poser moment of the night, however, was a mallcore kid buying a shirt that had two Ansuz runes (the futhark rune for "A", it looks like this: [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Runic_letter_ansuz.png[/IMG]), which quite obviously stand for "[B]A[/B]mon [B]A[/B]marth. Mr. Poser, in his vastly informed fashion, said "I want the shirts with the "F"s on it. What the hell do the "F"s stand for, anyway?" ... Wow. That night made me more bitter towards posers than even I thought possible. Everywhere I turned, people were doing stuff like that. Some people even thought the ancient symbol of Mjolnir was Amon Amarth's logo. Grrrrrrrrr.

I'd help out, but I hate music.

[quote name='Deus ex Machina'][COLOR="DarkOrange"]Well, I heard a certain minute or so of As Rom Burns which sounded like it was stripped straight from Lateraus, so whatever. I don't think my Isis comparison is too far off - no they aren't annywhere near the same genre or anything, but they both have the sort of long-riff-passage thing going on, and the way it feels when listening is similar in some cases. And Agalloch was only the emotion. The EMOTION. [B]THE EMOTION. [/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE] Right. Agalloch conveys an entire different set of emotions than Primordial does. I have no idea what "long-riff-passage" means, so I won't even bother. Oh yeah, I forgot. Tool is the [I]only[/I] band who uses toms and bass. :rolleyes: No, seriously, that's like saying Green Day sounds like Cannibal Corpse because they have some songs in the same time signature.

[quote name='Deus ex Machina'][COLOR="DarkOrange"]So I bought [B]To the Nameless Dead[/B] by [B]Primordial[/B]. I've only had the chance to listen to it fully once and oterwise only managed the first 2-3 songs a few times, and I've already heard [B]Empires Fall[/B] online enough. however, I just finished [B]Traito'rs Gate[/B] which is one of those songs you have to stop typing and just listen for a moment for the chance to go [i]holy ****ing **** this is awesome.[/i] I'd peg them as somewhere in the [B]Agalloch[/B]/[B]Isis[/B] family, mixing Isis's dark, brooding, and lengthy all-consuming riffs with Agalloch's RAW EMOTION. There were also a few little parts that reminded me of [B]Tool[/B] on [B]Lateralus[/B] a little bit (before you dispute that, go listen to [B]As Rome Burns[/B] again). Singer is a ****ing badass by the way. All the past few days I've been spewing lines from Empires Fall as I walk around.[/COLOR][/QUOTE] You're extremely, extremely off in your comparisons (mainly the Tool one, even after a detailed listen). You must be mistaking Primordial's rhythmic stylings with Tool's simply because there's a lot of tom work. Primordial's riffs have far more in common with black metal than they do Isis (which is kind of an odd band to bring up as well...), which makes sense seeing as they started off as a black metal band to begin with. Agalloch is a very far-fetched comparison as well. Although I will cut you some slack simply because, based on what I've observed of your taste in music, you don't really have anything to compare Primordial to so you just went with what you knew that seemed close. But seriously, never, ever compare them to Tool.

[quote name='Rainy Dog']Electric Wizard is good stuff, I remeber hearing Dopethrone for the first, a mind blowing experience.Doom/Stoner Metal at it's best.[/QUOTE] Hardly doom at its best. Maybe stoner metal at it's best, but definitely not doom. [quote name='Avenged666fold']Oh OK my mistake then. Oh and if you want some bad *** Doom/Stoner Metal check out Electric Wizard...they are Sex(and they still make music so they are current too). Ensiferum is amazing...I think I am liking them more than Amon Amarth now.[/QUOTE] What do Ensiferum and Amon Amarth have to do with each other?

[quote name='Crono']I'v noticed over the past few years that metal has kinda changed direction. Their are many different types of metal. You've got black metal,thrash metal,screamo metal,new age metal,nu metal(whitch iv noticed is going down bands like slipknot broke up Korn changed thier sound).Alot of the other metal kinda died out like hair metal,and techno metal. But back to my point iv noticed alot more scremo metal then anything else.Im not really complaining somes not bad but their is a point just like theirs a point when thrash metal loses it. Im not really concerned witht he direction its heading as long as we have people who support and listen to it their will always be metal. Another topic is why so many people dispise metal.Mny of these people include very religous even thoug their is christain metal.They find it to be evil or otherwise.Im not saying metal is perfect you'll get a band that just goes easily over the line and makes no sence what so ever. I love metal with a message and heat i n it.[/QUOTE] This post is as hilarious as it is depressing. Actually, I really hope this was just a bad joke.

[quote name='Gozu']To tell you the truth I don't really like the direction metal is heading in.With all these hardcore bands that sound pretty much the same to me, and once one band does something new all these other bands just start to emerge and sound the same having a cookie cutter effect.As the days go by I find myself each day listening to other types of music other than metal itself.I hope in the future this will soon all change, but for now there seems to be no hope for the genre of metal.[/QUOTE] You obviously don't listen to metal, or you'd know that wasn't true at all. It's called the [I]underground[/I]. Hell, you don't even have to search the underground for great metal - there are some awesome mainstream bands as well (Opeth, Blind Guardian, and Finntroll are a few great ones that have been brought up in this thread). Anyone who says metal is dead or dying is only watching MTV and reading Revolver. And Premonition, I'm sure you can find Agalloch at FYE. They sell Agalloch albums at Best Buy, so they aren't that hard to find, man.

[B]Paganini[/B], [B]Vivaldi[/B], and [B]Wagner[/B] FTW. That is all.

[quote name='Kam']I was hoping Jake would cover this, but he didn't, so I will. Metal has nothing to do with your perceived 'youth and hotness.' It's about original, powerful music, and has absolutely nothing to do with age or beauty. The fact that Light This City sounds like Arch Enemy is the [i]problem[/i] with them...they aren't original. This isn't pop music. It isn't a world in which you get honor for clinging to another bands coattails and milking the genre for everything it's worth. This is metal. You're remembered for your contribution to the advancement of the cause. Your mistake about Amon Amarth showed your ignorance. But ignorance is a correctable problem. But what you said about Arch Enemy being of less value to you than Light This City, due simply to LTC's "youth and hotness", is what sickened me. That shows that you're just a tool of the machine. And it is that machine that true metal stands against. It is why we exist. We are the undercurrent that keeps the river flowing, and drowns out the weak. I hate to deride you again, but I hate more that you [i]needed[/i] it. -Justin[/QUOTE] And my respect for you advances even further, warrior. Eloquently put indeed. And I may have mentioned all this had I actually managed to get past the Amon Amarth statement. :p

[quote name='Whoa, Mann'][SIZE="1"][COLOR="HotPink"]I just got into Amon Amarth, after hearing alot of "you'd like them, man"s...Bleehh. Yes, they're very nice, indeed. Good metalcore. And Light this City, which is a teenage version of Arch Enemy, which is why I like them. They have the youth and hotness that AE doesn't have, aha.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE] You've just embodied everything I hate about Hot Topic kids. I've sat and watched while tight-panted, comb-overed, eye-linered xcorex posers snatch up Amon Amarth and brandish them unabashedly upon their fad wagon of anti-integrity. I've watched, and I've wept tears of Heathen rage at the outrage of it all. I blame that accursed Sounds of the Underground tour to begin with, which had Amon Amarth touring with Underoath and As I Lay Dying (or whatever ****** ****ing garbage xscenexcorex bands they were, it doesn't matter). Suddenly, all these idiots who are into bands for fashion instead of music decide that Amon Amarth must be cool because they're sharing the stage with these worthless noise-producing baboons. Amon Amarth is not metalcore. Not in the slightest. The only reason xcorex kids are even involved with them is Hot Topic and the idiots at Metal Blade Records. Amon Amarth writes high-quality death metal with complex, oceanic song structures, well-thought-out chord progressions, and lyrics based on something substantial - culture, honor, pride, etc. MALLCORE LACKS ALL OF THESE THINGS. It's not that hard to learn something about music. It's really not. Five minutes - FIVE ****ING MINUTES - of reading basic English would've prevented your offensively blatant and nearly violent ignorance. No, this is not a question of mistaking subgenres. It's not. It's a question of misrepresenting and polluting a culture that I care very deeply about. Metal is not just a form of music; it is a culture, with it's own languages, it's own hierarchies... it is an entire world unto itself. A world that is very important to me - very, very important, to a level I'm positively certain you'll never understand. But Jesus ****ing Christ, man, don't be an ignorant, idiotic, moronic, music-hating scener who pollutes and corrupts the reputation of a good metal band because you think it's funny. Don't be one of those people (I know that was not your intention, but there are a lot of people who's it is). Amon Amarth is a death metal band. Got it? D-E-A-T-H M-E-T-A-L. It's not that base, simian, filthy excuse for music that gets called Metalcore these days. When listening to them, do you hear uninventive song structures? No. Do you hear whiny vocals and contrived lyrics about middle-school level politics and failed relationships? No. Do you hear repetitive breakdowns chugged over and over again on the E string? No. Do you hear annoying tri-tones that are misused and abused for the sake of being dissonant without any thought or theory behind it? No. THEN IT'S NOT ****ING METALCORE, and by the balls of Odin, you had better get it straight from now on. Ugh. Philistines. You all make me sick.

Hahaha! Well, that's the best kind of damage evar. And the new WITTR is absolutely... well, you'll hear it for yourself. I need not say anything. I'll know you've listened to it when you make the "HOLY **** WITTR IS GOD" post here on the boards. :p

Kam, have you listened to the new Wolves in the Throne Room album?

[quote name='Avenged666fold']Every source of information fails me... What do you guys think about Nevermore?[/QUOTE] This Godless Endeavor is an absolutely f***ing genius album. Jeff Loomis is a machine.

Well it looks like that's one of the extremely rare (but still existent) moments where Metal Archives is wrong. Here's folk metal: [url]http://www.myspace.com/officialfinntroll[/url] [url]http://www.myspace.com/arkonarussia[/url] [url]http://www.myspace.com/asmeginfanpage[/url] Compare all those to Agalloch. No similarities. Agalloch doesn't use traditional instruments or melodies, so where is the whole folk metal fixation coming from? As far as neo-folk goes, I'll just post some links (keep in mind that October Falls, which is neofolk, is my top-listened artist on last.fm!): [url]http://www.myspace.com/nestfinland[/url] (this band actually did a split with Agalloch, who provided pure neo-folk music instead of metal to the EP) [url]http://koti.welho.com/mlehto4/of/of.html[/url] (there are streaming music samples at the bottom of the page, just scroll down - keep in mind, "Shores of Fire" is actually a metal song that the guy did for kicks) [url]http://www.myspace.com/neunwelten[/url] (one of the more intense neofolk groups) Well, that should keep you busy for a while.

[quote name='Gunslinger'][COLOR="77656"]They only had one other song sadly. I used project playlist. But I'll check the third one out too. I also got a few Amon Amarth songs. :) Anyways to the song Falling Snow. I could only get to about 33% before it messed up. But the song was amazing, at first it sounded like an alternative metal piece, to me, then it progressed into a beautiful folk-metal masterpiece. Plus the vocals were great and the lyrics were very-well written IMO. I was thinking the same thing. So what if you don't like folk-metal, Agalloch is ****ing Agalloch. EDIT: I actually looked them up again, and someone put on a song overnight. I've now got Kneel to The Cross & Dead Winter Days. (Or nights' forgot which word >_>)[/COLOR][/QUOTE] There is no such thing as "alternative metal", and as I quite clearly tried to point out, Agalloch is not a folk metal band. I don't know where you're getting that from. Have you ever heard folk metal before? And for the record, there's no way to classify Agalloch. They combine elements of doom metal, post-rock, black metal, and progressive (and in their older material, there were elements of neo-folk - NOT FOLK METAL, there's a huuuuuuge difference!).

[quote name='Avenged666fold']I don't really like folk metal. I mean I think I like one band maybe. So it was no suprise when I didn't like Agalloch. Just not my Cup o Tea. It sounded to...I dunno pretty for me to get into.[/QUOTE] How would not liking folk metal have anything to do with not liking Agalloch? [B]@ Gunslinger - [/B] "Falling Snow" is one of my all-time favorite Agalloch songs (well, songs in general, actually). It is indeed beautiful. "Great Cold Death of the Earth" is actually one of my least favorite Agalloch tracks. If you can, you need to get your hands on "Not Unlike the Waves", "You Were But a Ghost in My Arms", "In the Shadow of Our Pale Companion", and "Limbs".

Man, if everyone had your attitude, the world would be such an awesome place.

[quote name='Ravenstorture'][FONT=Garamond][COLOR=darkgreen]I am involved in two other forums on the 'net and both of these are entirely music scene forums. On there people KNOW not to get involved in genre wars, the lines are too blurred and people end up thinking their opinions are more than just their own opinions. ;)[/COLOR][/FONT][/quote] Yeah, those people are a bummer. I don't even have opinions. Only facts that people mistake as opinions. Oh, and genres do actually matter. And Kam is right - there are exact answers when it comes to music. Most people are just too lazy to figure it all out.