Guest PhoenixFlame Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 This is kind of interesting... ussually women question why men like seeing lesbians....and behind the guys back theyre watching queers..hmmm maybe i was wrong about certain people..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soujirou Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I was just saying that is what yaoi stands for, this is getting very pointless. and some yaoi is pointless (like hard yaoi) with no real point other then that. Not all yaoi is, but some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 [size=1][QUOTE][i]Originally posted by IloveBebop [/i] [B]I've seen a picture with Sephi and Vincent (FF7) kissing. I found it weird and funny at the same time. :idea: Vincent/Sephi are most likely one of the weirdest yaoi couples, ever. If you want to find it, just search for Sephiroth in google images. About yaoi being pointless, some yaoi actually does have a point, but with what Soujirou said, that would be wrong, and not really yaoi. So, I guess most yaoi is made as it should be. I also agree that this thread is getting pointless. We keep saying the same things. It's going no where. Right now, I think that this thread should be closed. [/B][/QUOTE] ....[spoiler] I think Vincent is supposed to be Sephiroth's father in FFVII[/spoiler][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by maladjusted [/i] [B][size=1] ....[spoiler] I think Vincent is supposed to be Sephiroth's father in FFVII[/spoiler][/size] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=hotpink][size=1]That is highly alluded to, isn't it? *Vomits* Oh well. Some people like incest, too.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhoenixFlame Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 No he is not because Genova is Sephiroths mother, who sephiroths actual father is is that crazy scientist guy whats his name, the guy who transformed vincent into what he is now.But...Vincent's love was sephiroth's human mother like his birth parent I guess you could say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 *squirms nervously* I apologize in advance for continuing the off-topicness. PhoenixFlame: [spoiler]Jenova is NOT Sephiroth's mother. Lucrecia was treated with Mako energy and injected with cells from Jenova while she was pregnant with Sephiroth, which made him the way he is. Since Vincent was in love with Lucrecia, it is highly likely that he, rather than Hojo, is Sephiroth's father.[/spoiler] ~Dagger~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhoenixFlame Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I dont know how to spoil protect it but Hojo IS you know who's you know what....I'll spoil protect it and tell you the story after i find the thread saying how to spoil protect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IloveBebop Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by maladjusted [/i] [B][size=1] ....[spoiler] I think Vincent is supposed to be Sephiroth's father in FFVII[/spoiler][/size] [/B][/QUOTE] Well... That answers some of my questions, but with the more recent posts, more questions arise. I wouldn't really know, I haven't played that far into FF7 (I played it for only a few minutes at my friend's house [b]some[/b] time ago). I'm sure she would know, though. I'll ask her tomorrow at school. Sorry about the off-topicness, even though with our newfound conversation, it's sort of mot off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 [color=hotpink][size=1]Okay well, whether Hojo is the father or Vincent is the father, we are completely off the topic of Yaoi. You can have this debate in the Sony forum. I'm sure the mods there wouldn't mind since there's not much life to it anyway. ^_^[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonstar Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by maladjusted [/i] [B][size=1] I can understand what you're saying, D_B_D, and it's better to just ignore those things. I'm a fan of fanfiction.net, and I have visited both the Inuyasha, Trigun, .hack//SIGN, and G-Gundam site. Now, if you think about it, all of those animes don't have a single character that is openly gay [i]or[/i] doesn't seem gay. [Maybe Tsukasa is bordering that edge.] Well, from my viewing experiences of the fanfictions under those catagories at ff.net, there's a very, [i]very[/i] slim number of yaoi/shounen-ai fanfictions. Now, go to the Gundam Wing site, and you'll find oodles of yaoi/shounen-ai fictions. It's pretty self-explanatory.[/size] [/B][/QUOTE] Just try searching for DBZ angst using Truks and Goten as the chacters, most of the results will be yaoi/shounen-ai. Most fanfiction authors just see a possibilty for a freindship to mean a LOT more. I don't have anything against yaoi fanfiction, I've actually come to enjoy it, purely because of the amount of angst you can get into a yaoi fanfiction (I love torturing animes *shrug*) the only time I cmplain is when people piar Vegeta and Goku or Gohan and Piccolo. since Vegeta, Goku and Gohan are all happily married, (to thier wives, not each other) and have famillies, and the problem with Piccolo should be obvious to ANY DBZ fan. For the record, some non-yaoi pairings are even worse than a lot of yaoi, for example Trunks and Pan, Goten and Bra. They'd never happen, the age gaps are about 10-14 years, (and Pan's really annoying) I just can't see it, I think of Pan and I see a ten-year old. That's just a little suspect in my opinion. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Metatron [/i] [B]They are holding the anime characters in their heart in their own dear way just as you hold the same characters in your heart in your own dear way. Why not let them? Because its not real? Does it really matter though? In any event, the anime is being appreciated, and the characters are being taken up by fans who want to make their own story with them. I think the authors will be happy that their characters have reached that status. [/B][/QUOTE] Couldn't agree more. The 'what if?' is the very spirit of fanfiction, it doesn't matter if the idea really sucks, cos authors still enjoy writing it. And most of them stress that Yaoi/Yuri fanfics have characters behaveing very differently from the way they would in the show. And most people don't read fanfiction about a show they don't watch, it tends not to make a whole lot of sense. And even when you do find fanfiction accidentally (which is actually very hard to do) you know that it's fanfiction. Most people search for info on a show by typing the name of the show, so they get index pages for sites about that show. Even a fanfiction site usually has character info and plot synopsis, so most people can figure out what's real and what's not. Coming from personal experience here, fanfiction often turns inot original fiction, Blue (see my avatar) started off as an OC for an FFVII fanfic, I adapted her to fit into other fics and eventually removed and altered the elements of her that weren't my own, I now have a highly detailed character that I can use for both orignal work and (by altering her past) fanfiction. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arasoi Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Well...I'm a yaoi writer, sort of. I just write stories in my free time, and they're not really that great. But...I just thought I'd comment. [quote][I]Originally posted by Dragonstar[/I] [B]Most fanfiction authors just see a possibilty for a freindship to mean a LOT more.[/B][/quote] I agree. I used to write Digimon yaoi fiction when I was younger, just because I felt that the friendship between Tai and Matt could have gone further. Of course, though, that wouldn't really happen in the show. So, I just wrote a story where Tai and Matt get into a relationship, and continued from there. I've done stories with couples that don't even make sense, either. I just like the idea of them together. Like T.K. and Davis, for example. They would never get together, seeing how they hate each other, but it was still fun to write. So...that's my little addition to this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arasoi [/i] [B]I've done stories with couples that don't even make sense, either. I just like the idea of them together. Like T.K. and Davis, for example. They would never get together, seeing how they hate each other, but it was still fun to write. So...that's my little addition to this discussion. [/B][/QUOTE] As they say, there's a fine line between love and hate. ^___^ Many people find love/hate pairings appealing, whether they're yaoi, yuri, or het. For example, look at the Inuyasha fandom. Kagome and Sesshomaru seem to be an incredibly popular couple, despite the fact that they despise one another. So I wouldn't say that unlikely relationships are something unique to yaoi fanfiction. It's just that many people prefer to think of yaoi pairings as being unlikely, simply because they're yaoi. ~Dagger~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Ed Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 So James your saying they can change the character in their fanfic but they can never change it on how the creator did and besides I have a friend who thinks some anime guys should get together and I keep telling her its never going 2 happen but I would never NEVER attack someone just because they like yaoi that would be insane! Even though I'm not into that stuff I just don't read it if u like yaoi u like it. If u hate yaoi u hate it. Easy as that and I even know some people who r gay but the point is yaoi isn't bad it's just what people wanna see or read simple as that. So I don't see yaoi offencive but I just ignore it. So some people like it and some people don't its just what they like thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xai Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 [color=skyblue]The only shonen ai/yaoi pairing I've ever been somewhat interested in is Cid/Vincent(from FF7). Yeah, it's wierd... I have a few doujinshis that I downloaded featuring them.(no, not hentai, just humor, lol) Other than that though... I usually swing more towards the hetero couples. I have no problem with yaoi, however, though I did think it was kind of wierd when I first got into anime that people liked that sort of thing. I guess I'm just more open minded now.:) I know a lot of people offline who would [b]freak out[/b] if they ever found out what yaoi is. :eek: Namely my parents.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrmngfangrl Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 yaoi is NOT pointless. especially hard core. it serves to...i don't know if its allowed and don't know how to sencore, so lets just say it helps with certain pleasures...its like porn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillieFan Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Actually, if you use it for *that,* you are illustrating the point that some is tasteless and disgusting. However, there are some yaoi fics that are NOT meant for that purpose, and those are normally the better stories found in that: they center on the *characters* and on the *plot,* not on what "pleasure" they can give their readers/writers. I'm sorry to the above poster, but you're really not helping our cause ~.^ Yeew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soujirou Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by scrmngfangrl [/i] [B]yaoi is NOT pointless. especially hard core. it serves to...i don't know if its allowed and don't know how to sencore, so lets just say it helps with certain pleasures...its like porn... [/B][/QUOTE] What I ment by pointless is it has no story to it, which it doesn't in some hard yaoi. It's hentai, without any real plot. look at some doujinshi, alot that I've seen is PWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 I'm with MillieFan. Hentai is something [i]entirely[/i] separate from shonen-ai and shoujo-ai. Some of it may be m/m, but I think it's safe to say that most hentai involves heterosexual couples. Acting as though same-sex pairings are pornographic by their very nature will only reinforce the negative stereotypes that surround them, even as society continues to grow more open and tolerant. scrmngfangrl, I must respectfully disagree. Hard-core [i]anything[/i], whether yaoi or straight, is pretty much pointless--because its sole purpose is sexual stimulation. Shows and manga featuring regular het or shonen-ai couples generally strive for something more; for example, to create a solid, captivating story through beautiful animation and a well-written script. The orientations of an anime's characters are pretty much irrelevant. When it comes to quality, plot and artistry are what really tip the balance. ~Dagger~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IloveBebop Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by scrmngfangrl [/i] [B]yaoi is NOT pointless. especially hard core. it serves to...i don't know if its allowed and don't know how to sencore, so lets just say it helps with certain pleasures...its like porn... [/B][/QUOTE] I'd have to agree with Dagger in saying that most anything that's hardcore is pointless. I also have to say that most porn is pointless. It's just made for pleasure in... those areas... I don't like yaoi for that. I like yaoi for the comedy that most yaoi brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arasoi Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Soujirou [/i] [B]What I ment by pointless is it has no story to it, which it doesn't in some hard yaoi. It's hentai, without any real plot. look at some doujinshi, alot that I've seen is PWP. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royal blue]Not all yaoi has no story to it. Take the Gravitation series for example. The main character, Shuichi, is highly developed and emotional. He has his own personality. His lover, Yuki, has his own personality as well, which is calmer and colder than Shuichi's. Not all yaoi is hentai, either. Although I think the Gravitation series may have a sex scene in it, I haven't seen it. I believe, too, that hentai is considered just to be pointless sexual acts, whereas Gravitation still has a story behind it.[/color] [quote][i]Originally posted by DaggerIX1[/i] [b]Hentai is something entirely separate from shonen-ai and shoujo-ai. Some of it may be m/m, but I think it's safe to say that most hentai involves heterosexual couples. Acting as though same-sex pairings are pornographic by their very nature will only reinforce the negative stereotypes that surround them, even as society continues to grow more open and tolerant.[/b][/quote] [color=royal blue]I agree entirely. Just because an anime or manga is yaoi/shonen-ai or yuri/shoujo-ai, doesn't automatically make it hentai. This opinion only makes it more difficult for society to become more accepting.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillieFan Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I've seen disgusting yaoi lemons and het lemons. In fact, there are one or two fics that I would tell people never, ever to waste their time with because they are so OOC, PWP, and pointless that they are really a disgrace to fanfiction for their particular series. However, I firmly believe there is no more PWP lemon/hentai in yaoi fics than there is in het fics in general. Hentai/PWP lemon is the fault of bad writers, not inherent in pairings. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 [size=1] The Japanese words shounen-ai and yaoi mean two entirely different things. So, yes, I agree with this thread's title. I see no point in watching yaoi just for sexual pleasures.[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dagger IX1 [/i] [B]Acting as though same-sex pairings are pornographic by their very nature will only reinforce the negative stereotypes that surround them, even as society continues to grow more open and tolerant. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=#707875]I just thought that this was an extremely important point. It's why I get annoyed when people on myOtaku say "put up a warning if you're going to show guys kissing" or some such thing. How ridiculous. There's no difference between a guy kissing a girl, to a guy kissing another guy. How is it any [i]more[/i] pornographic? It's not. If you're disgusted by it, that's not my problem (the same as it's not my problem if you're disgusted by other races or nationalities). Honestly, I think this is a very important point that people often miss. It is also a reason why Adam and I made a firm decision about yaoi-esque materials on OtakuBoards and myOtaku.com.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IloveBebop Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 If yaoi means "pointless," then can't yaoi be made without pornographic things? If yaoi is just a pointless story, then it can be a bit less sexual. That's how I find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 [size=1] That's where shounen-ai comes in. Yaoi cannot be made without pornographic material because if it is roughly translated, it means hard-core boy/boy romance.[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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