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Can God create a rock so big that even he can't lift it? I'm not trying to start any debates here (Read as: no one here get feisty and I won't either. You get feisty...well, hopefuly a moderator and/or administraitor can intervene and tell you (and probably myself as well) to stop.) It's just that this question has been troubling me for a while. Any religion which depends on the beliefe in an all-powerful deity, such as Christianity, Judaism, or Hinduism*, always and forevermore face the trauma of this question. If God is all powerful, then yes, he can create a rock so big that even he can't lift it. Likewise, however, if God is all powerful, then he can lift any rock, no matter how big the rock is. BUT, he's all powerful. He can create a rock so big that no one, not even him, can lift. BUT, he's all powerful. He can lift any rock. A paradox, and one in which there are only three answers: 1: God is not all powerful (He cannot create a rock so big that even he can't lift it) 2: God is not all powerful (He can create a rock so big that even he can't lift it) 3: God, at least as far as we know him, is not real. I'm just wondering if I can get any Christians, Jewish, Hindus, Muslims, anyone, to explain exactly how they would explain their way out of this mess. It's like how war does not determine who's right, but rather who's left, but whoever is left then goes on to determine what is right. Fortunately the chicken-egg problem has been solved (The egg came first), so that's no longer a paradox. ************ *I'm a bit confused on this myself. Apparantly, Hinduism is both a monothesism and a polythesism. They believe in Brahma (I think that's right...), Shiva, Vishnu, and a host of other gods, but all are regarded as facets of one, all-powerful god. Ack. Religion is far to confusing, my head hurts from trying to figure them out. I dunno about you people, but I, personally, am better off without it. I'm alive. I'm personally satisfide with that and will deal with what happens after I die AFTER I DIE. I need an ale...

I was comparing GT to Yu-Gi-Oh!, Magic, and Digimon not because of product similarities (of which there are none), but because they had the same goal: Sell a product. Of course, that doesn't automaticly make it bad (Look at classics like Transformers), but it doesn't do it much credit. I don't think I'll enjoy DBGT much. I don't even really like Dragonball Z all that much. Damn.

Question: Is Dragonball: Grand Tournement really worth watching? From what I've heard, all but hardcore DBZ fans liked it. Everyone else thought it was horrible, and basicly thought it was something along the lines of Yu-Gi-Oh!, Magic: The Gathering, or Digimon: Made simply to advertise a product, in this case, the then-new Dragonball game in Japan (Is that Budokai over here? I dunno...). Not that Digimon is bad...but Yu-Gi-Oh! isn't anything special. Can't judge Magic: The Gathering. Card game is great. Manga sucks from what a friend translated for me. Don't know about the show.

Um... [I'm going to get yelled at for bringing back up an old topic, but oh well...] When Toriyama said that female Saiyins cannot go to Ssj, are you sure you meant: "It is physicly impossible for a female of the Saiyin race to become an Ascended Saiyin" and not "Neither Pan nor Bra can reach Super Saiyin" ?

Following the command of a Private Message. Someone wanted to get to know me better or something like that. Said I should introduce myself to the forum, rather then just rearing my bearded, long-haired head every now and again. Forget who already. Is that sad, or what? Oh well. Sorry, whoever PMed me! Okay, ah...want to get to know me, peoples? Fair enough. I guess I'll put down a few of my traits... 1) I like anime. But not all animes. I dabble in DBZ, but mostly I like things which run along the lines of Blue Sub No. 6, Love Hina, or Card Captor Sakura. 2) Excelent debater about everything and everything. My two most favorite debate subjects are God (Likely not there) and Gorge Bush/War with Iraq (Should not be in office/should not happen) 3) D&D freak. Working on D&D world. Basing elfish off of Hawai'in. Using Elfin and Elfs rather then Elven and Elves. Talk to me, D&D freaks! (Chris's D&D stats: Str 11 Dex 14 Con 12 Int 17 Wis 16 Cha 14, NG male half-elf) 4) I don't like school. I don't like how every book we read is depressing. The House on Mango Street, The Pearl, The Lord of the Flies...I want to read something with a happy ending, not an ending where a baby get it's head blown off! 5) I have a girlfreind. Her name is Ashley. She is my everything. Recently I did something really stupid; she got mad at me, but fortunately everything is okay...with her. With me, I'm beating myself up over it still. Damnit! Won't disclose what it was. NO, it was not sex, or penetration. The point is, I love her more then my life. That takes a lot for me to say - I really like my life. I would gladly sacrafice myself and everyone else for her, and would do anything for her. All she has to do is ask 6) I'm nice and easy-going...unless you piss me off. Then I get evil. Evil the likes of which you cannot imagine. I have converted devote Christians who pissed me off to atheism, and then left them to their emptiness. Let THEM make the five-year climb that it took me to get from the emptiness of realsing He's not there to realsing "So what if he's not there? It's the here and now, not the then and there, that matter". I care not for my afterlife...I care for my life.

Yeah...I said that. Leanred it from Love Hina manga #6, I think. Possibly no. 5. Too lazy to go check.

I think this could have easily gone in the saiyan names thread just below this. -I think you're right...[slams head on desk several times] I also should mention that "kun" is a common name used in the original versions of db for gokou. So there is a good chance that there are many different views on what gokous name means and what puns were intended with it. -Um...who called him "Kun?" *** Becuase "Kun" is a title added on to the end of young boy's names, either out of respect or effection, like its female counterpart, "Chan". For example, Keitaro-kun. However, the first name can be shortened so that it's quicker to say. For example, Kei-kun. It's not unreasonable to assume that the entire name can be dropped. [is reminded of a song from Love Hina] Liddo-kun, Liddo-kun, Liddo-kun and freinds! With tails standing! Climbing on the cat's back! [size=1][color=indigo]Merged it for you. You are welcome. - PM[/color][/size]

TheOtaku lists Goku's name origin as simply "Ku means sky in Japanese" Good attempt, but I think it might be wrong. I think Goku's name may actually be from a Buddhist legend. I could be wrong, of course, considering I've pulled this legend from another anime called Love Hina Characters from the Legend: -Sanzou Genjou - T'ang Monk. Trying to procure the Buddhist scriptures -Son Goku - Stone Monkey. Flies around on a cloud and has a magical pole; was imprisoned on a mountain due to his violent ways, but was released in order for him to help Sanzou -Sakyamuni - Deity or spirit of some kind, is the one that released Son Goku from imprisonment -Gojou Sa - Water Demon and another servent of Sanzou -Hakkai Cho - Pig and another servent of Sanzou -Cheif's Daughter - the daughter of a cheif; Sanzou pledges to aid her against Gyomaoh, who wants her for a bride -The Great Lord Kinkaku - Powerful Demon lord; brother of Ginkaku -The Great Lord Ginkaku - Powerful Demon lord; brother of Kinkaku -Gyumaoh - Ludicrously powerful Demon lord; wants to eat Sanzou because her flesh will grant him eternal life -Kougaiji - demon servents of Gyumaoh -Gyokumen Koushu - Attendent of Gyumaoh -Rasetsunyo - Attendent of Gyumaoh

I'm not annoyed with it - I think Pilof's voice sounds good on Kid Buu. My only complaint...you remember the laugh he did when he leaped at that guy and poured himself down his throat as Super Buu? 'WHA-HAH!' in a high-pitched voice? I liked that, too. He doesn't do it as often as he should. [looks to make sure no one is watching; then goes and runs up to some random person] WHA-HAH!

Actually, Vegeta's name by itself isn't the pun. It's that Bulma sometimes calls him Vegi. As in 'eat up all youe vegies!". And Ginyu isn't milk - it's ginuu. Toriyama edited it a bit so that everyone didn't always crack up laughing whilst watching The Ginyu force. Well...no more then they already did. And no one correct me. This comes straight from Yamaguchi Takatoshi, a freind of my brother's. *** Here's a few from the top of my head. Their names and meanings. Not all of them are jokes, by the way. -Goku - Son Goku. From Buddhist myth, a mokey demon. Son Goku had to protect a T'ang monk durring her travels -Shenron - "Dragon King" in one form or another. I want to say in Chinese, but the word for dragon in Chinese is "Long", so I don't know from where this is from. Unless there's multible words for dragon in Chinese -Gohan - A way to prepare rice -Goten - yet another way to prepare rice. -Pan - what do you cook rice in? -Chi Chi - I actually heard it was Japanese slang for "big boobs" -Bibi-di, Baba-di, and Majin Buu - The magical words that the fairy godmother said in Disney's version of Cinderalla are "Bibidi babadi boo!" -Freiza - Freezer -Coolah - Cooler. I suppose they mean "The old form of a freezer", but I like to think they mean "Cooler then Freiza". -King Cold - Obvious. Unless King Cold was merry (happy) and old, in which case, it comes from Old King Coal (Who was a merry old soul) -Vageta - His nickname, 'Vegi', is the same as the nickname for vegitables -Raditzu - the closest the Japanese can come to saying "Raddish" -Nappa - A kind of food -Piccolo - A musical instrument. Could also be "pickle", a green vegitable -Oolong - I actually don't know. Does anyone here? -Trunks - As in "swimming" -Dr. Breifs - as in Men's underwear -Garlic, Jr. - The most obvious in the series for English-speaking peoples. However because of the extreme embarrasement I get whenever I think about a powerful bad guy being named "Garlic", whenever I reffer to him, I'll call him "Garalik" -Cell - obvious -Baby - obvious -Pilof - I'm willing to bet it means 'short' in some language -Bulma - women's underwear. I don't know about the anime, but early on in the manga, that...area...of Bulma comes up often

...in saying that Kid Buu's voice actor is the same as Emporer Pilof's in the origonal Dragonball? I could be wrong, but they sound a lot alike at many points.

Why don't you just do away with the titles, except for custom titles? A simple, straightforward, and practical solution that will stop multitudes of problems from occuring.

[quote]Origonaly posted by elite: My view on Homosexuality and religion is this. If God gave us a choice, why can't people choose their own sexuality without it being a sin in God's book? If it's 'bad', then it's God's fault for letting us choose in the first place.[/quote] Exactly. It's like with the Apple Tree thing. God puts the tree containing all evil smack dab in the middle of Eden, points at it, and says "Don't touch". Did he REALLY think that simply saying 'don't touch' was going to keep them away? I think he put it in Eden and let humans possibly get to all evil instead of putting it in Heaven because he was worried about a Seraph taking a bite from the apple. I mean, look at all the hell caused simply by Lucifer, who was an Arch Angel. That's five ranks bellow a Seraphim! If God had NOT wanted all of humanity to be exposed to evil, then he would never have put the tree in Eden in the first place. [quote]Of course, people may argue and say that there are saints and sinners in this world, and that homosexuals fall into the latter category (although I highly disagree with this viewpoint, I'm just weighing up the argument), but there have been homosexual priests.. does this mean they are sinners too?[/quote] Of course it does. They have "Sinned" *coughhowcouldfindingyourtruelovebeasin?cough*. Yeah, right. Look at the Apple Tree thing above. Plus, religions (and science, too) contridicts itself in too many places for it to be credible. "Thou Shalt Not Kill" "Suffer Not a Witch to Live" and "The Q'ran preaces peace" "A Jyhad may be called to defend Islam" Are two of my most favorites.

DUO MAXWELL: Yes, Rome got control of them through war, bloodshed, looting and pillaging, yadda yadda yadda. Of course it was like that, they weren't going to get them any other way, now were they? I suppose they could have tried to subvert, but that would have taken at least a thousand years of bribary to get the four most powerful cultures - Greeks, Carthagians (who were descended from the Phoenecians), Persians, and Hebrews - under their sway. It's another case of 'do the ends justify the means'. The means were wrong. However, the ends got them to unite the most influential cultures in the world and bring them forth to future generations. How was knoledge of the Greeks and Company preserved durring the second Dark age? through the preists. And what language did the preists speak? Latin. There you go. Also, we may have to thank the Renaissance, but the people durring the Renaissance who made the advances in art and science were trying to emulate the art and science of the Romans. Believe me - everything can be traced back to Rome. You name it, I'll trace it.

[quote] Origonaly posted by MistressRoxie: WHAT!?!?!?!? I hate to burst your bubble, but during the Holy Crusades, the MUSLIMS attacked the Christians. It doesn't change the principle you're trying to prove(that you shouldn't hate everyone in a particular group just because of a few selected people's bad choices), but I just thought I'd like to correct the actual facts in there.[/quote] Did you learn that from the Chris DeBurg song "Crusade?" It's a great song, one of my personal favorites, but it is so incorrect that it makes me saying "I am a Christian" seem like a Golden Truth. Too much of it is incorrect. *** Check some history. The Crusades, the first one, was started for one reason: to bring peace to Europe by taking the war someplace else. If you check your history, you'll find someone, I forget who but I'm betting it was a Pope, one day said to a king "The Muslims have taken out holy land, pass it on". The guy's idea was this: Europe was so wracked with war that the simplest way to end it was to take most of the able-bodied people in Europe and move them someplace else. Thus, the wars started. Now, the Muslims had not 'stolen' the Holy Land from the Europeans. First, it was theres to begin with through rights of inheritance (they had owned that land for as long as even the eldest of them could remember and longer) and secondly, they had no problems with letting Europeans in. You see, traveling Europeans comming to Jerusalem to pray to their Lord would need a place to stay, food to eat, and clothes to wear. Jerusalem was a gold mine! The Muslims were happy to let them in. When King Richard the Lionheart attacked Jerusalem, he caught the Muslims completely off-guard, after all, no one expected Europe to unite. (The line in the Crusade "They quarrel to much, the Christians could never unite!" was, is, and probably always will be true). Using his armies and seige engins, King Richard managed to grab Jerusalem for only a few years, if that. Next, Saladin, the Muslim leader of the time, is not the great slob every Christian believes he is. he was, instead, a brilliant lord and war-leader. He re-took Jerusalem and drove the Christians away from the lands that were his by right, and to the end of his days he probably had to fight of the "Damn Dirty Christians!". Not a nice way to spend your days and nights, driving off religious fanatics who have no right to try and attack you. *** Just thought I'd correct you. *** Also...I don't mind Christians today, as I said. Many of my freinds ARE Christians. However, I cannot and will never forgive the Christians which caused the fall of Rome. I mean...ROME! Let's put it this way: How much can of what we have today can be traced back to the Shang, or Yamato, or Choson, or Native Americans. With all due respect to those cultures - next to ntohing, if anything. How much can be traced back to the Greeks, Hebrews, Persians, and Phoenecians? Almost everything. And who controled the Greeks, Hebrews, Persians, and Phoenecians? You've got it - Rome. Go Rome! [i]Hail Caesar! Hail Caesar![/i] *** >>>EDIT

SARA: What does "Continuing Evolution" entail? Is it: Yahweh set down some prototypes of life on Earth (i.e., single celled oganisms) and then let evolution take it's course? I've given that a few moments of my time before. Didn't like it after I thought long enough, but it's the only form of Yahweh actually existing that I'll except. *** Off topic: Want to see a neat trick? Okay, first off, the Bible says that God breathed life into man, right? Here's something funky. What is the origonal name for God? When romanised, it's Yahweh, but technicly, it should be spelled YHWH, as Hebrew has no vowles. Well, try to pronounce "YHWH" litteraly, without any vowles. Just YH, then WH. Sounds like breathing, doesn't it? My dad pointed that out to me.

Er...damn. You don't know how hard it is. I dunno, they make sense to ME. Grr. Arg.

I nickname all the pokemon I catch. A few: BLUE VERSION: -CHARIZARD: Ember -PIDGEOT: Stunt -ALAKAZAM: Psi -GENGAR: Spooky -VAPOREON: Eve -RAICHU: Thunder CRYSTAL VERSION: -MEGANDRIUM: Chika -AZUMARILL: Mari -GRAVELER: Rocky -TOGENIC: Toga -ESPEON: Espi

[Is going to try Jame's suggestion of thinking, then writing, rather then thinking as writing. Uses the Gilligan's Island Loony Toon as his mantra.] Okay. First, what I was saying was kind of on topic, 'bout the 'what do you belive'. It's about religion. There's no way that any topic can ever stay on topic for it's entire time of being. It'll begin to move away - this topic has (we got onto governments). No matter what you do. It'll always happen. Chaos theory. And anyway, I think I might know what's on topic and what's off, this being MY topic and all. Next, it's also still on topic because we're supposed to be saying what we believe. I believe A) Christianity is wrong and Yahweh is the scum of the Earth, B) Order is just as bad as Chaos, but in differant ways, C) Good refferance points (the boards I refferance) should be used; as they help to support my side. Then, let me say this: No matter what I do my topics always end up going off topic anyway, so let's just go with the flow. You have no clue what kind of things I've ended up discussing because a topic wnet off-topic. Plus, these topics tend to loop backwards, ending up going back on topic, if allowed to continue for long enough. Example: I once asked "Why is Darkness beat up on all the time? It's not so bad". We talked a while about that; then ended up getting into a discussion of why Metal and Wood were seperated from Earth in the Oriental elements. We then got into how Good, Light, and Law and Evil, Chaos, and Darkness are not the same things, they're all differant. We continued to loop through various things, including why, if Beelzebumon's a Demon Lord and thus uses evil energy, he could put them to good use. Finally, we ended up back at the topic again, when we reasoned that Beelzebumon's actually using Dark energy, and putting it to good use, and therefor Light and Darkness are actually seperate from Good and Evil. In the end the topic had eight or so pages, half-filled with good reasoning and half filled with arguments. But the topic had been allowed to evolve along it's own lines, and thus, it actually ended (rather then someone saying 'this is off topic' and closing it). Finally...actually, I can't think up any more good points, so I'm not just going to rant on for longer.

I think you're being very philisophical, MisstressRoxie. Don't worry. Philosophy is never out of place. ALLWAYS QUESTION! S' a good way to live your life. Gets annoying for other people, but it forces them to look at things they otherwise would not of.

Doesn't the Mormon holy book (not the bible, the other one) have four points in it that not only contridict the bible, but also contridict what every other human on the planet knows to be a fact? That's just what my dad said, BTW. He told me one of them, but I won't get into it until I've got a confirmation. *** Also, I'm willing to bet the 9/10ths of what science tells you is true is actually not. 9/10ths of religion is false and 9/10ths of science...There must be a middle ground *** As for Adam, Eve, Caine, and Abel, apparantly everyone thinks that they were the only humans around at the time despite what I've refferanced. Maybe I've refferanced a differant version of the Bible? It's possible. Regardless, here's a question for the idea that they were the only humans - Adam and Eve had two sons, Caine and Abel. Now, one of the two could have reproduced with Eve (this is survival of the species we're talking about here, so don't say 'that's sick'). However, Caine killed Abel, and then Caine was banished into the Land of Nod. Thus, who was around to create a new race? By the time Adam and Eve had sired another pair, or even just a single son or daughter, both would have become too old to raise them, and all three/four/five/however many would have died (Keep in mind that back then, you were considered an old man if you were 35).

o_O;; -I can make faces to! They suck, though. I think my best one is ^.^ I'm content with that, though. First and foremost, we do not assume that everyone has the same common sense (as you have apparently demonstrated). Thus, we have a rule page published online. That seems self evident, wouldn't you say? -Yeah, but that comes back to the first problem, which is, you don't get to the point fast enough, therefore some people just assume that it's the same 'common sense' as their own and go about their buisness. The idea isn't to change your rules, it's to make them easier to read. And secondly, we have banned you twice so far. Your first name "Rogue Shadows" and then your second, more recent name. You have now registered under a third name. -Uh...try five or so. Rogue Shadows, NeoRogueShadows, REVENGE, REVENGE2, and then another as well, back before I was Rogue Shadows. The whole 'alternate personality' game I played then too. It REALLY is great fun, you should REALLY try it (although it'd probably be a bad idea to do it here, because then not only are you breaking rules but you're also breaking your OWN rules...you could do it at an EZboard or something, though). Anyway, I was then told it was against forums rules. I think I said "Oops...my bad" and then relinquished that one. I think it was Shyguy who said that was a no-no. [Files that under another thing the rules say that I didn't know was a no-no] If we ban you again, are you going to come back and say "Will you just BAN me and stop SAYING you're going to ban me?". Don't you see the problem there? lol -Er...well, the problem I think is the whole IP adress thingy. Thus I don't actually know weather or not I was banned, and will never know unless my screen name is banned. In which case, as I said, I just implement my master plan, which I apparantly won't even need a second computer for, and get on with my life and let you get on with yours. In any case, I'm unsure at this point what your intention is. Are you trying to tell us how to run our own boards or are you simply typing as much as you can to read your own text? At this point, I don't think you're really offering anything of value. This just keeps going around in circles over and over again. -Um...actually, the first should be 'making suggestions to better the board' like most people who go here probably intend to do (I'm happy to be a minion, you see, although I make a great power behind the throne. Horrible leader). If it were that, then it would actually be a bit of both, with extreme emphisis on the first. I like reading my work. Mostly because, ever since I started writing, very little other writing has entertained me, except some animes (surprising, Evangelion is not included, despite the fact that it's right up my ally) and stuff by R.A. Salvatore. I will let you stay under your current name if you ensure that you abide by our rules. That's all we ever ask. But if this ridiculous discussion gets even more ridiculous, I will ban you yet again. And it will be permanent, I assure you. -Funky. Like I said earlier - thank you. Er...is there any way I can chnge REVENGE2 to something else? You know, keep the screen name, but change what people see it as? [It's a lot simpler then simply making up ANOTHER new screen name and asking you to kill this one]. Or better yet, let me have NeoRogueShadows back, and simply kill the other ones. [pause] by the way, I was reading this even as I replied. It's what I always do. So if I contridict myself in any post, follow the last thing I said. TRANSTIC NERVE: About the whole line where I said "Get a girlfreind..." yadd yadda yadda...sorry! I didn't read the last line of your sig. Damn, I feel like an idiot now. Feel free to PM me death threats or something. Although that little paragraph wasn't suppose to insult you! No! I was jut making suggestions for things to do with your time! Agh...[Is going to jump off a cliff now or something]

By that same token, should we burn all legal documents and live under total anarchy? I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. lol. -Actually, do you even know what the anarchy theory entails? It basicly says that without a governemnet then people will be fine on their own. Sure, every once in a while you get a real psychopath. And, when it first comes around, there's going to be a long period of the darker sides of anarchy. But eventually, things settle down and work themselves out. I, as I believe that in a past life I might have been a Slaad (creature of pure chaos - not evil, just chaos), believe that anarchy could work. Only for so long, of course. Nothing is eternal. But just like Monarchy, Despotism, Communism, Republic, Democracy, and Fundementalism, Anarchy deserves a chance. Rules and guidelines are necessary in life. People need consequences and repercussions for their actions. If people are left under their own discretion and simply do as they please, we're faced with a "system" of chaos. You say that it's wrong to kill and steal because it's what you have been taught. If we didn't have order to tell you that it's wrong to do such things, then you wouldn't believe that they're wrong. The bible helped introduce compassion to the world. There wasn't a cohesive law enforcement system to stop people from commiting crimes, so they were told that they would go to hell. -This is very much like Legalism. That means, you're assuming that people are naturally bad and evil and prone to do bad and evil things, and only strict guidelines and a system of punishments will keep them in line. First started in China, it did. Anyway, assume all you want, but I refuse to believe that people are either good or evil, lawful or chaotic, or even neutral at heart. We just [i]are[/i] Moving on, what I belive is a proper way of behaving could be completely subjective. What if I enjoy raping and plundering? Who is going to stop me if what I'm doing is perfectly legal simply because I feel it's right? -That is a good point. Like I said, occasionaly psychopaths will come up. But, you said 'what I'm doing is perfectly legal'. The correct answer to that would be no, it's not legal, because there is no law for it to be legal or illegal by. I don't really disagree with what the bible did. It was written to establish laws and guidelines to help govern people and their everyday lives. At the time it was written, people didn't travel--they were afraid of nature. Bandits and "monsters" plagued the earth. So, it kind of gave them hope and the feeling that they were safe. It established order. -Order and chaos both have their kicks and drawbacks. So does neutrality, too. Saying that order is better then chaos is akin to saying that white is better then black Even today, a subjective system would be too broad. It would be like taking a huge step backwards in society. Without rules, this little online forum would fall apart. Could you imagine how reality would crash? The economy, safety, education--it would all be gone. -Actually, that's not true. The Digiexperience had no rules, and the only reason why it keeps collapsing is because...You know, I don't actually know why, but it's not because of the lack of rules. Something to do with the fact that the server sucks ***. Also, there is another board, the Digimon Lab, which has been without administraitors or moderators for quite some time now - years. The only problem we have is that we've also been without more then ten members for a very long time, so weeks or even a month can pass without a new post. Regardless, there are no moderators or administraitors to enforece rules. However, we aren't at each other's throats. We're very mellow. Burning the bible or any other religious document isn't really necessary either. If you don't like it, there's no need to disrespect something that helped to shape society. Just don't read it. It doesn't apply to you unless you accept it. -What the hell are you smoking...? Give me some of it some time, because it REALLY works. Sorry to be so blunt, but WHY WON'T PEOPLE JUST OPEN THEIR EYES?! -Okay, first of all, if Christians had gone from the slave pits and being tossed at the lions to helping all those in need and never doing to others what was done to them, I could understand. However, once they got power, what did the Christians do? Set about destroying all 'pagan' religions. Rome was strong for three reasons - A powerful military, a strong economy, and tollerance. Once the Christians gained power, they lost the key factor - the tollerance. Following the loss of tollerance, the other two of course fell. You need three sides to have a triangle, after all. -Then what happened with your precious 'order' brought about by dear oh dear Yahweh after Rome fell? Let me quote something: "NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!" - Monty Python That's right! How many died at the hands of the Inquisition?! HUH?! How many pagans, how many innocents...for crying out loud, the Inquisition burned the JEWISH, to whome they owed their entire relgion! If this was a mere hundred-year thing, I could understand. but NO. When did Rome fall? Doesn't matter. The point is, it went on for HUNDREDS of years! Do you know when the last official burning of a pagan was? Around 1912. As if that wasn't enough, Christians weren't satisfide with simply ahnialating the former glories of Europe's relgions. They have gone from place to place, trying to destroy the founding relgions which kept 'order' there for so long! Next time you open that book of yours, consider thinking less of what 'order' it may or may not bring, and instead think of the millions of lives sacraficed meaninglessly to get that order. Do the ends justify the means? Do they? I'd like to point out that I will NEVER forgive Christianity for Rome. Christians? Any Christians alive today have had nothing to do with it, so I have no beef with them. Its thier relgion and that dark god sitting atop his throne playing at being the good guy that I loathe with all my heart. *** Boy, I feel better. I needed a nice long yell. Thanks for giving me the opportunity! You're a nice guy. *** Back to the whole idea of government. In the end, it simply comes down to two phrases: "Do the ends justify the means" or "Do the means justify the ends?" No matter what happens, everything is going to collapse anyway. Think the US will be around a thousand years from now? If it is, do you really think that it can last for that long under it's government system - a Republic? No. It cannot. Even now, America walks on the edge of a blade. If it strays even a little either way, then it'll fall to doom. And it IS begining to walk away from the blade, even now. I give it another five hundred years on the outside. The US isn't all that peachy either, though. For one thing, we've got a war-mongering psychopath as out presidant who seems to have something personal against any nation with nuclear capabilities. Sucks to be an American right now!

WRIST CUTTER: I wasn't complaining! I noticed that it was off by one minute and all I did was say so! How is that complaining?! Oh well. And anyway, doing all the stuff I might end up doing in't wasting my time. Wasting my time implies that I could be doing something better with my time. But, until my school starts again on Thursday, I don't have something better to do with my time. Unless the Digiexperience starts up again...but I doubt it. It's normaly down for months at a time. Someone should really give Radix and GOLDEN a swift kick in the butt and tell them to simply open up a nice, simple EZboard if they can't handle YaBB. *** Also, I'd like to point out that I don't like half-finished jobs. Me pointing out that I haven't been banned yet isn't an attempt to get myself banned. It's an attempt to figure out why I have not been, seeing as I 'deserve' to be. If I'm going to get banned, say so and ban me. If not, then say so and don't. Me being left out, not knowing what is actually going to be my own fate, is annoying. *** Also 'common sense' rules are - like so many things - a bit titchy. When I first started doing things at message boards, that was at the Digimon Experience (my, I bring this up a lot, don't I?). The Digiexperience did not at the time have a codefide set of rules. 'common sense' was in place, as well. But as no rules were written 'common sense' again came down to point of veiw. Like I said, I have no problem with spamming. Why? Because not only did I do it, but the entire board I was at did it. It was faster then editing a post on a UBB board, and plus, it made the topic longer, thus making it seem more important. Plus, there were only two administators - the aforementioned Radix and GOLDEN - and no moderators. Thus, they couldn't manage everything, and half the time weren't even there when someone actually did do something wrong, and I cannot remember a single person ever getting banned. Anyway, the moral of this little story which you didn't have to absolutely read is that don't assume that everyone has the same 'common sense'. Because 'sense' is not 'common'. I mean, heck, if I had any common sense, I would be Christian, to possibly avoid the endless torment of Hell that may just await me. But I don't, because A) Hell is better then heaven in some respects and B) It's more fun down there anyway

I personaly think the best thing anyone could do with their time is to simply burn any book which tells you how you should live your life, and instead simply go with the flow and do what YOU think is right. Because in the end, what you think is right generaly goes along with what those books are telling you to do anyway. I don't think it's right to kill or steal. Thus, I do not kill or steal. That's just common sense. I don't need a big long story about someone finding fifteen commandments on three stone tablets (anyone who's seen History of the World Part One will know what I'm talking about there, if you haven't, then don't respond to that) I used to hate all organised religions because I thought that they pretty much were responsible for all the crap in the world, and you have to admit, they kinda' are. Now, I just pity them. Religion is dying, slowly and steadly, with the onward advance of Science. So I don't let it trouble me much anymore. Unless someone insults me because I don't believe in anything. In which case, I get downright UGLY. I don't like science either, mind you. It makes things far to complicated. Endless hours explaing why it rains... IT. RAINS. It should be as simple as that. It rains. It always has rained. It always will rain. And there is nothing anyone can do about it. So, if it rains, it always has rained and always will rain, then why should one waste their time trying to explain it? Life is too short. *** [I can't believe I'm about to do this, but...] By the way, the Bible doesn't say that Adam and Eve were the ONLY humans. Remember when Caine killed Abel? Cain then went to live with the 'other people'. I think you can probably interpret it somewhat like this: In what is today Israel, there were two people named Adam and Eve, probably the first king and queen of importance, and where they lived was called Eden, which had a nice garden. For some reason, they had to leave Eden, never to return - perhaps exailed by a takeover? Regardless, they had two children - Caine and Abel. At some point, Caine killed Abel. Caine was then exiled. If history has any sense of iorny, then the 'other people' Caine went to live withere were {badapadada!] the Canaanites. Look: the similarities are painful. Cain. Canaan. Of course, that's just me trying to weave some fact into a myth.