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I told you guys I entered in a manga contest for Tokyopop about two months ago, and it seems I didn't win. I never got an email from them, so I didn't get my hopes up. I'm not disppointed in myself, but rather disappointed in the winners. You can see samples of their art for their self portrait images here.

[url]http://www.tokyopop.com/news/mangatalent/index.php[/url]

A huge reason on why I didn't win was probably because I heard about the contest 2 months late (the contests runs for 3 months), and I had to throw a story together WHILE drawing.... heh heh (not a good idea :P!). I know my art is a lot better than some of theirs, but I like how Shatia Hamilton's and Nicholas Liaw's work looked, the rest I thought were pretty poor.

I guess I'll make the story for the next contest in a few months being about killing the judges because I didn't make it in the top ten for this one :flaming:!
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Klin, its impossible. Check the link I gave in my first post, it shows all of the winners.

I am not disappointed that I didn't win, seriously. Having not won just makes me even more inspired to win the next one! I also have bigger paper, more skill, and MUCH MUCH MUCH more time to work on it.

Believe me, I think I might be able to place in the top 10 next time, because I'm gunna work my ******** a** off to do it.



Here is my entry.

[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page1%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page2%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page3%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page4%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page5%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page6%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page7%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page8%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page9%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page10%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page11%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page12%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page13%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page14%20copy.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.kungfoogamers.com/~gedden/Page15%20copy.jpg[/url]
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:: opens mouth, inserts foot:: Well, looks like I didn't make it either. ^^ But I did draw it up in a week, so... (I could have sworn I checked their page on the 14th of October) There's always next year, as you said. Good luck. Nyao, about the cg work, (You did do the cg work, right? The pages won't load on this school computer) maybe you should do tone. I did a little research around, and manga work is mostly done with tone. I don't think they're able to print cg work. I could be wrong though.
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My website is down.... again... and its really starting to piss me off. Its down 80% of the time.

Anyways, I did to CG, and they ARE able to print out CG. There is absolutely no difference if you draw an X or O on paper, as long as they're both B&W, they'll both print.

What I'm getting to is that its not abot having a problem w/the CGing, its just they probably didn't like the fact I did all the B&W shading on computer.

BUT, "Fowl Play" looks like it might have been done using computer, and I also heard a winner from the first one also used computer. I think the biggest reason was my story.
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[size=1] Keep in mind that not only is the artwork an important factor, but the storyline as well. Do you have any idea how hard it is for some people to draw a manga with an original and good plot and make it so that it meets the contest's requirements?

And I am most impressed by several of the winners' drawings. Don't be disappointed in the winners. Their stories and drawings must have been good enough for the judges. I've seen tons of mangas that were entered in the contest, and had amazing art. And why didn't they win? Because their storylines were not laid out and good enough when compared to the winners. You also have to take into consideration the genre, drawing techniques, styles, spacing, dialogue, originality, and probably tons more. If anything, I think the winners deserved it.

And I believe that as the number of Tokyopop contests go by, the more talented the winners are. Obviously, in five years, there will probably be 1,000+ entries and 10/1000 is a slim chance. But there's no reason to give up, either. I've tried drawing an entry on my own, but I need serious practice on background pictures, still objects, fight scenes, and STILL hands. Even though I know I'm a good artist, I still need more practice. [/size]
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How did you see several peoples' entries? Did you just know a bunch of friends that entered? Or is there somewhere online that you can see who entered what...

If there is somewhere online that has to do with this competition, even if somehow you can see what judges thought about some, please, post a link here!
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[size=1] Ninja-Magus: Yes, many of my online friends decided to enter the contest. I met them off of Deviant art and their awesome artwork. ^_^

There is some forum about the contest, where contestors sometimes post their stuff and get advice. I forgot where, though. If you look around Tokyopop.com, you'll find it.[/size]
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If you think about it, my story about religion should have HELPED. They said they want stories that are unique in the rules... and I bet I'm probbaly the only one that had something religious. Oh well... my next story is going to be about a character of mine being hired to kill a president of a crim syndacite.
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[color=midnightblue]Yes, I entered as well, and I did not win (Though the second place guy looks just like me only older and bears the same given name as I have). I sort of ended rushing my last few pages because of the deadline, and I didn't use great materials, (Can you say computer paper with a pen going over mechanical pencil lines?) but I'm definitely gonna reenter one in January and persist until I at least get some sort of honorable mention..

I did, however, get a certificate from TokyoPop with my name on it regarding me as a participant in the second contest. I'm sure everyone got one of these, though.

Oh, Ninja-Magus, I believe your manga was very good, but I noticed that in your text there were some rather light typographical errors, mostly in punctuation (No, not the lack of periods. Some people do that intentionally). That may have contributed to the not-picking issue.

But what's passed is passed, and you just have to try again with a revised storyline and art or something.

Now I know this is coming farther in advance than last time around, and I know what I should and shouldn't do in this contest. I feel more ready and more prepared, which may help me in the long run.

You have to realize, people, that several of the winners were between 20 and 40 year old. We are all fresh and young, and do not have as much experience with this sort of thing yet.

I'm glad the next one is coming so soon. I'm eager to begin my new project. Maybe by then I'll have a scanner so I can show it all on OtakuBoards.[/color]
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20 to 40 in this 2nd contest, yes... but I heard that there was a 17 year old that won the first one.

I've already started the story for my manga now, because I really really really need to focus on a story thats gripping, and makes you want to read the next issue if there was one. I'm thinking about planning a whole month on just the story. I'm up to page 5 in text right now, but I'll go back SEVERAL times to make it better and better.

I also need to work on BGs, because the story I'm going to use now happens all in the big city.

Another contribution to my failure last time was the size of paper I used. It was like... smaaaalll. Very limited area. I'm using full 11x17 paper now, so I can add tons more detail to the art, especially with city shots.
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[size=1] Actually, one storyline that would really help a manga rise in the ranks is historical fiction. It's an excellent topic to explore and make a storyline out of.

And yes, religion should be a good factor as well. In the first contest, one of the winner's [or runner-up's] storyline focused around religion.[/size]
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I looked at your entry, and I think I can understand a little why you weren't picked. Your artwork was good, but didn't follow very true to manga style. Neither did your storyline. In fact, I think your storyline was a little weak, contrived, may I say unoriginal? The plot lacked development. You could have done better, I bet. There's always next time.
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Ya, like I said, I had to write the story while I was drawing, and was not a good idea to do that at all, because I didn't know what I was going to do on the next page almost all the time =\.

I started it in mid August, but thats not gunna happen again. I'm starting the story for the next contest now. And I've taken 2 hours just to write the first 6 pages. Then I'm going to show it to people, tell me what they like/don't like, then fix it, then ask again. I want to make sure the story works.
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