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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crazy White Boy [/i] [B]Actually, I agree with Mnemolth. It's really quite fair to say that those who respect [I]everyone[/I], respect [I]no one[/I]. When judging others and measuring them up to our standards, we develop certain guidelines and expectations for people to live up to. Now, if [I]everyone[/I] meets one's inherent expectations, then how can one know what respect is? [/b][/quote] I think we're actually coming from completely different angles here. You're talking on kind of a more philosophical level, whereas I was talking about the way people actually behave. I was referring to the fact that many people go around demanding respect from everyone, claiming that they respect everyone, where in fact they don't. But even these people do sometimes respect someone, so from that perspective I think the statement isn't true. In my opinion, it all depends which approach you go for: I think you are equally right, not because I believe that [i]all[/i] opinions are equally right, but because you're looking at it in a different way. Mnemolth hasn't said where he's coming from, so we don't really know in what context the original question was meant. [quote][B]That comparison is erroneous. You're comparing two entirely different circumstances. You're comparing an individual who respects [B]everyone[/B], to someone who believes that they're superior to [B]someone[/b] in an undefined aspect. Now, if someone believes that they're superior to everyone in a certain aspect, then it is more than fair to say that they're arrogant. [/B][/QUOTE] When I said that, I was comparing someone who said he respects everyone to someone who says he's better than someone.. but I wasn't actually comparing the people, I was comparing the generalisations: In Mnemolth's example "Those who claim to respect everyone, in fact, respect no one", it is clearly stated that if someone [b]claims[/b] to respect everyone (not 'does' respect everyone), then they respect [i]no-one[/i], rather than simply: "Those who claim to respect everyone, in fact, don't" Which I think would be perfectly agreeable, but to say that they don't respect anyone at all, I believe, is an unfair generalisation, in the same way that "All people who claim to better at something than someone are just arrogant" is unfair because a lot of people [i]are[/i] better than someone at something, regardless of who 'someone' and what 'something' are. The comparison I was making wasn't between the people in the examples, but between the fact that the first example dismisses the idea that someone who says that may actually [i]respect someone[/i], and the second example dismisses anyone saying that from not being arrogant. In my opinion, the actual circumstances don't matter too much.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Solo Tremaine [/i] [B]I have a theory about going back in time. If you went back in time and met yourself, anything you did to you wouldn't harm you, because what has happened to you has happened to you and you can't change it. So, if you try and stop yourself from, say breaking your leg, you would still have broken your leg because you really can't change your past. And nothing would change the fact that you went back in time to do it anyway. Essentially, what you're doing is stopping someone [I]else[/I] from breaking their leg, despite the fact that they are actually you. And by changing the past, you wouldn't be able to go back to the future you came from because things would have changed. But that's all theory anyway. If I could go back in time I'd buy all the things I said I'd always wanted, like the Dinobots and Visionaries Dagger Assault. I love toys, and to try and get them now would cost hundreds, which I don't have. [/B][/QUOTE] I have lots of theories. They hurt my head :( My theory on this subject is like this: I think that if you went back in time and did something, such as kill yourself, then that would kind of make a whole seperate timeline where you don't exist, and when you go back to your time, you still do exist.. otherwise there would be a huge paradox, where some guy died, and then later went back to kill himself. The universe isn't just going to collapse into one big heap just because some idiot decides to kill himself.. I'm sure there are ways around these things. :)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i] [B]Just to get off the topic, what do you think of my view about sorry remembering I?m talking about people who say sorry about every thing and say it with out thinking what they are saying/meaning.[/B][/QUOTE] Depends what you mean.. sometimes I'll trip over someone by mistake, and just instinctively say 'sorry' without thinking about it. But on the other hand, I really [i]am[/i] sorry, since I didn't intend to do it, and if I did then it would warrant an apology. I agree that it can be annoying when people say sorry even when they're not, but sometimes I say sorry instinctively, and I really am.. it depends on what you mean by 'thinking about what they're saying/meaning' I only tend to apologise when I've genuinely made a mistake..

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mnemolth [/i] [B]Normally I would try to explain what I mean and where I'm coming from before I put an argument forward. But, just for a change, I'm gonna let you do the work, rather than have me spoon feed you. ;) Those who claim to respect everyone, in fact, respect no one. NOTE: this thread is about respect, a rather large topic, so you can sidetrack a little but try to keep on topic. [/B][/QUOTE] Right... I personally think that that is a huge generalisation. Yes, I agree, a [i]lot[/i] of people are hypocrites, and generally tell people to show some respect whenever someone says they're in the wrong, and then they show little respect for anyone else. However, I wouldn't say that everyone who says they respect everyone, actually respects no-one. It's kind of like saying "All people who claim to better at something than someone are just arrogant", and that's not true either.. A huge amount of people who say that kind of thing are arrogant, but a few aren't..

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shplarf [/i] [B]He doesn't seem a lot like Jesus to me. While praying in the garden of Gethsemane, Jesus prays three times, in effect asking "Are you sure I've got to die to make this thing work?" (Matthew 26:36-46) Jesus willingly died, but he wasn't a zealot, marching off to be crucified while humming "Onward Christian Soldiers" (notwithstanding that the hymn had yet to be written) The description reminds me of Howard Roark more than anyone else. P.S. Bible reference from Bible Gateway, bible.gospelcom.net [/B][/QUOTE] OK.. I'll go into more detail then.. (Non-Christians- just pretend you're a christian for 5 minutes, cos this is down to belief rather than absolute, undisputed fact) "but not the second, nay the second is the better man. Such a man is seldom born thus" - There's only one 'Jesus' and there has never been anyone on quite the same level as him "He is wrought in the trials of life"- Jesus actually came down from heaven (or so we believe) and mixed with all sorts of people who weren't worthy. He faced many trials in this way, and eventually was killed by men of this world (historical fact) "he is reborn every time his passion doth flare." - Jesus talked a lot about being 'reborn'- many people didn't understand him, as they thought they had to get back into their mother's womb. What he was talking about was being reborn in the Holy Spirit- which gives emotions and actually interacts with God's people. It's pretty much the best kept secret of Christianity: I've actually seen stuff happen which can't be described any other way.. the only reason you don't hear about it is that no-one's looking for it.. Any person can have a number of 'rebirths', which is generally a [i]renewal of passion[/i] for God (see quote from post) "Even when trapped at death's icy jaws a man such as this does not quake" - Jesus was willing to die for us.. He knew for a long time that he was going to die for us.. He actually told people a few weeks before his death (no one believed or understood him when he said it), but we don't actually know how long he knew about his death for. "He will not quake, he will not fear, he will not doubt, he will never question his cause" - Jesus had such faith that he never doubted the fact that he was doing it for God. He never feared anything, even walking on water (the disciple he called out did fear after a few seconds- so he fell into the water) because God said he could do it. "His goals, too great"- he was going to die to save [i]everyone[/i].. I'd say that's a huge goal. "his will, undying; his passion, as red hot as the day it was forged"- Most Christians go through Cycles of periods where we are up for anything, and dry times where not a lot happens. Jesus' passion was continuous throughout his life "No, nothing will stop this man. Not death, though it take away his physical power in our realm"- Jesus whole purpose of living was to die, so death did little to stop him from acheiving his goal "Not love, for it is that which drives his passion"- Jesus was willing to die for us not just because he was told to, but because his love for us was so great that he was willing to do anything in order to help us "Not life, nay, life is the essence upon which he lives, he cannot forsake it even when he can not hold it within his flesh."- He also died to give [i]us life[/i]-- you have to really be a Christian or at least understand Christianity to know what I mean by that "So you see, this is the man we all need to be"- One of the reasons Jesus came was to be an example to us all of how we should be. There's a popular saying among Christians when we're not sure to do: What Would Jesus Do. "If you are not striving for this now, it is not too late to start"- Anyone can become a Christian at any time, no matter what they have done, and they will be treated the same as all other christians, even if the convert on their last breath. "Think, but do not stop there; do. Do, simply do"- Jesus was a man of action rather than just words. He didn't just say "I am here to save you all".. he didn't even really say that.. everyone guessed that he was. Instead, he actually did it, and saved them through death. It seems a bit of an unusual concept, that someone can save people by being punished for something they hadn't done, but that's the whole thing with mercy: It's an odd thing.. So yeah... [i]that's[/i] why I think the guy sounds like the way we describe Jesus

I'd go back and blow up my time machine.. there's a paradox for ya.. :D But seriously, I don't really know what I'd do.. it depends on if this is a "go back as you are now" or "turn back time and be 11 again" time machine :)

I don't agree with absolute banning.. That would be like saying 'this happened and we don't like it so let's just forget about it'. The trouble is, you can't do that to a major historic event, particularly such a terrible one. People need to be reminded of this stuff so that it doesn't happen again. However, I do think it should be banned in certain contexts. I don't disapprove of what Son Goten was talking about, the swastika on his grandfather's wall, because it seems just to be a remider of one of the most major events in recent history, In the same way that some guy probably has a brick from the World Trade Centre on his mantlepeice (and I mean probably, I don't know if anyone actually does), just as a remider of a more recent, major event. Although I don't mind that kind of use, "We mustn't forget this happened", I fully [i]disapprove[/i] of the other use, in the form of "Hitler was right" which still goes on today, in the Neo-Nazi culture. I think in Germany it's actually illegal to wear a swastika sign anywhere on you- that doesn't mean that they don't ever see it and learn about what it means- there's no point banning something indefinitely if you're not going to tell future generations why it was banned. I don't really think it's all about freedom at all. Though I think that the US is kind of on the right track by claiming personal freedom, I think they can go a bit far sometimes. There are some beliefs which are just [i]dangerous[/i], and if you had the same kind of regard for the freedom of Adolf Hitler's views to the freedom of some of your own, we wouldn't have been on the winning side of WW2. So yeah.. I think freedom is good, but there needs to be some restrictions as long as people are still just human.. Take the BNP here in britain.. the 'British National Party'.. They are a political party, centred around racism. They believe that britain belongs to the british, and that foreigners should never be allowed to live here. Whenever they march around towns and such there are huge inter-racial fights. The most horrible thing of all is that some people [i]actually vote[/i] for them.

I swear we did one of these ages ago... but I mean [i]ages[/i]... anyway.. can't just say that.. 1. Where are you from? (country, city, locate it if it's not known) [i]Stoke On Trent, England[/i] 2. Tell us something we should know about it [i]It's officially the worst city in England. It came 376th out of a survey of 376 cities... umm... 'woohoo'...[/i] 3. no "it's boring" or "never comes here" [i]but I mean it... seriously... DON'T COME HERE[/i] 4. discuss about it! [i]I'm not qualified to do that on my own[/i] :p

I have a pet rock.. I call it Dave.. I feed it soil three times a day.. Dave doesn't say much, I'm still waiting for his first word..

Hmmmm...... So many people.... James: I've never known him to lose an argument. And contrary to some opinions, only normally closes a thread when it gets insanely stupid. Oh yeah.. and though his opinions on religion seem extreme, he has good reason (that's coming from a Christian). :) Adam: Doesn't talk much.. maybe he's watching us right now... [i]Adam is the real Big Brother[/i] :nervous: *runs away* Ginnylyn: General cool person and all-round Christian :) Cera: I don't reply to many of your posts, but you're a cool, intelligent person too :) Nerdsy/N-Man: What happened to your boards?? anyway.. you're cool too. Duo Maxwell: Crazy. No doubt about it. But we share a common interest: monkeys. :) D.Dark: Not sure if the guy still exists, but he was cool Herman Nation: Let me tell you a story. I have 4 people on my buddy list, and Herman is one of them. Yesterday I looked at my buddy list and saw a guy called 'Shift' on there. Little did I know it was Herman. He gave me quite a shock, did Herm. Funny, crazy, overenthusiastic guy ;) Kittie: Cool person. Really Cool. Also crazy. But really cool ;) Anime Lover: Crazy Intro-Forum Poster. Didn't always agree with your opinion, but respected it TN: Intelligent, crazy (who isn't), and pretty cool. (I'm tired.. the most descriptive thing I can think of for most people now is 'intelligent' 'crazy' and 'cool') Desbreko: Definitely on something. Not sure what. BabyGirl: I will edit this later and put a description.. I'm too tired to think of one... I may add to this tomorrow.. it's been a long day.. This is Deus_Ex_Machina, logging out.

Umm... " O_ o " You're not a Christian by any chance are you.. that second guy almost sounds like how someone might describe Jesus... I have one question.. whats with the ripping tape off Desbreko's mouth?? :-S

Women have it easier... why? *Ahem* If a woman really gets on your nerves, you can't just punch them if you're a man ... or if you're a Christian woman... Non Christian women have it easiest of all ;) In case there's any doubt.. I was joking in that last bit On a more serious note.. I really don't know. I think we can't really know who has it easiest, because men can't know what it's like to be a woman and vice versa...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i] [B][color=royalblue] Anyway, I think we're really getting away from the main point of the discussion here. This isn't a discussion about homosexuality and religion, it's a discussion about whether men can have female friends. So, I recommend that from here on, everyone please stick to the topic. If you have nothing to add to the topic at hand, please don't continue posting here.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Yep. Maybe not all men can have female friends (it's debatable..) but some can. I say that because [i]I[/i] can... there's not a lot more to my reasoning than that, I'm afraid.. :rolleyes: I think it's all a matter of needing self control. If you need self control then it's difficult. However, If you don't even think about the fact that there may be some sexual tension then there just.. isn't any.. If you see what I mean.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Solo Tremaine [/i] [B]You'd be surprised how much homophobia there is. It's not necessarily obvious on the surface, but even major religions such as Christianity are really against homosexuality, so it's probably more of an internal thing that could affect relationships.[/B][/QUOTE] At our church, we also have a saying 'Hate the Sin, love the Sinner'. You can't go far wrong if you stick to that. Basically what it means is that if someone's done anything which is biblically wrong, then fine.. it was wrong, but we all do things which are wrong and we're all forgiven if we accept the forgiveness, so we shouldn't get caught up arguing about who is holier than who and start condemning people. Even if you think Christianity is a load of crap, forgiving people isn't a particularly bad habit to get into.. But.. most Christians don't stick to that, as you've already said a few posts later. Ultimately, as my beliefs dictate, I believe that homosexuality is wrong, in the same way that I believe stealing is wrong, and so many other things. I don't know [i]why[/i] it's wrong, I'm just told that it is.. HOWEVER I am also told to love my neighbour as I would myself, so no matter how much someone else's actions may be wrong in accordance to my beliefs, I won't dub that [i]person[/i] wrong, because that would be saying 'I'm better than you' when in actual fact I'm not. A lot of the more "fundamental" Christians take literally the verse in Exodus which goes along the lines of "any man who has sexual relations with another man will be put to death". However, if they paid as much attention to parts of the New Testament, they'd know that that rule pretty much ended 2000 years ago when we were told that we should forgive instead.. In fact, one of the whole points of the Old Testament was that we should forgive. Many times in the Old Testament, God was going to pass judgement on people, but chose to forgive them instead, and even with all of the rules given in Exodus, we could have chosen to forgive people instead, but we didn't. So my point is this, I think.. If a Christian decides he hates homosexuals because the bible says you should, it's [i]not[/i] because [i]the bible says you should[/i], but rather because he (wrongly) [i]thinks[/i] the Bible says you should. I'll just point one thing out: I am not in disagreement with either of your posts at all... there [b]is[/b] far too much discrimination around, but the discrimination from religious people comes less from the religion itself and more from the people ;) , which you've pretty much said already, but I thought I'd go into more detail..

It really bothers me that, as DeathKnight said, it's almost becoming a part of life now. It also bothers me that some people are actually willing to accept that... One small point.. Islam isn't quite as peace-loving as everyone claims it is. That isn't to say that Muslims are bad people.. I personally get on pretty well with several Muslims, but the [b]teachings[/b] actually promote violence towards other religions or anyone without religion. In Islamic countries there is actually a [i]death penalty[/i] for believing in anything else, because the actual goal of Islam is domination over other religions.. Here's one example of a site detailing some of the information: [url]http://answering-islam.org.uk/Terrorism/peace-loving.html[/url] At the end of the day, it's still your choice what to think and what to believe on the issue, but I'd actually look at both sides and decide how you think from that.. ;)

Age: 19 Height: 6'2" or thereabouts Eyes: Two :D Hair: Light-ish Brown Weight: Classified Occupation: Student Interests: Physics, Biochemistry and Worship Leading ;) Fav Anime: The Guyver, Dominion Tank Police & Other: I like to say 'Damn you Nut-Ball Man', and 'We have a saying in my country: Never walk your monkey on a cold summer's day.'

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PizzaGuy [/i] [B][B][SIZE=1]-Dan[/SIZE][/B] [/B][/QUOTE] ..... ..... ..... ..... That is EXACTLY how I end ALL ym e-mails and text-messages.. you damn ENDING STEALER!!!. in case there's any doubt in your mind, I AM only kidding ;) about the 'ending stealer' bit.. but back to the topic, no, I've never had that problem. back in the days when I used models, I lost the [i]instructions[/i] once, but not any of the peices..

I go along to the youth group at our church, and play table football. One thing that may be considered a 'hobby' is making up random phrases when the other guy scores, like 'DAMN YOU NUT-BALL MAN!!'.. though that's more of a strange thing I do than a hobby..

Here's a few some friends and I made up while acting a bit strangely... "We have a saying in my country: I don't like cheese" "As I once overheard in a conversation: Who the hell is Susan?" "It's like I always say: DAMN YOU NUT-BALL MAN!!!" um... there was more but I forgot them...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Juuthena [/i] [B][color=deeppink] [size=1]mkay, here's a favorite ^^ Medium hard: There was a boy, that was selling some mushrooms one day. When night fell, he grew tired, and went to sleep. He hid the money he earned by his side, and fell asleep. When he woke up, his money was gone! He immediately went to a guard by the palace he was selling them by, and told them what had happened. Then the guard ordered everyone that was there at the time his money was stolen. He then told everyone to get a magical stick of truth from a basket, so everyone did. He told everyone to stick their sticks out from a wide circle. He said the stick of the beholder who stole the money, would grow out into the center, revealing the theif. Everyone reached out their sticks. Immediately, the guard grabbed the shortest stick and exclaimed. That's the theif! She's the one that stole the money! How did they know? [/color] [/size] [/B][/QUOTE] You said "They stick their sticks [b]out [i]from[/i][/b] a wide circle", so for a stick to grow [i]towards the centre[/i], when it is pointing out, [i]away from the centre[/i], it will shrink. So, the person who did it had the shortest stick

For those of you who don't know, there's a show in the UK called 'the Fast Show', which is a show full of short comedy sketches... there aren't any new episodes as far as I'm aware, but they've started playing it again on UK Gold... oh yeah and.. one of the oddest sketches is that this american reporter just says 'Hi, I'm Ed Wichester", and that's it... but he says it in lots of different places (you have to have watched it to know what I mean) So... any resident Fast Show fans here?.. (the most I'm hoping for is a few from the uk.. but if anyone from other countries has seen it, feel free to give your opinion.. My personal opinion is that the Fast Show is far better than Harry Enfield's show, (the sketch show Paul Whitehouse was in before the Fast Show), and is much less 'distasteful' than recent Harry Enfield series..

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rick Hunter [/i] [B]Well sorry guys but I have to also agree with BG's and some of DeathKnight's post, it takes a lot of skill to act like a sniper and not get caught sadly some of these crazy shooting spree killers turn out to be a genius. [/B][/QUOTE] Yeah, I was arguing more with the last bit "I love this guy, whoever he is"... DeathKnight probably didn't actually mean it in the way I took it, though. So yeah.. my point was "OK, it takes a lot of skill, but let's not go round admiring a killer just because he kills skillfully" [quote][i]Originally posted by gokents[/i] also, with the fact that the last boy shot didnt have an exit wound, it would indicate that he was really, really far away. [/quote] Actually, you have [i]no way of knowing[/i] that that's the case. there are lots of reasons why there may be no exit wound. The bullet may have just hit a bone or gotten lodged. Also, a bullet doesn't slow down an awful lot over a great distance, they just alter direction slightly due to wind and gravity. Don't make logical assumptions when you don't know the logic behind them..

I don't have a problem with it. On average I spend about 5 minutes writing a post. On really long ones I sometimes take up to 15 minutes. And if I'm [i]really[/i] thinking about what I'm saying I can spend hours on the same post (though I don't spend the whole time writing just that one post, I wander around on the internet a bit between inspirational bursts)

I think it's very worrying to know that so many people are at risk practically all the time like this.. I mean, you could argue that we always were, but it's definitely getting worse.. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i] [B][color=crimson]I love this guy, whoever he is. ^_^[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] I'm not even going to go into my opinions on [b]that[/b] comment..

Here's one from me... "I'm a typical man.. I can't do any two things at once..." (I only said this the other day) But there [i]is [/i] already a quotes thread, so this'll probably end up closed. (but you never know)