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Everyone knows how to get in contact with some great anime whether it be classic or new styled. But some anime is getting too childish I think. Of course there are animes just for kids, such as Pokemon or Digimon but what about Naruto or Dragonball Z. These animes in their original forms are just plain great but when they get shown to kids all watered down...they lose the impact they should make on an individual. I love Naruto as much as the next guy but Im tired of seeing 4 year olds going around here wearing bandanas with the leaf village symbol on them. At first, Im thinkin that wow...this anime is really impactful but then parents are completely clueless to the fact that their kids are watching an anime that has people getting theirs hearts punched out and heads knocked off. Im not against kids watching anime but Im just angry that kids are making watching anime more childish by the day. I ,for one, dont want some old person coming up to me and say that stuff is for kids when I have a Naruto or Dragonball Z manga in my hand because I'll tell them off. What do you guys think.
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[QUOTE]Of course there are animes just for kids, such as Pokemon or Digimon but what about Naruto or Dragonball Z. These animes in their original forms are just plain great but when they get shown to kids all watered down...they lose the impact they should make on an individual. [/QUOTE] Lost impact? Generic shounens impact is to make a little kid go "Oh crap that is teh shiz!"

Anyway no right now anime is being aimed more at teens and up than anyone really. Look at all the damn high school dramas out their for Christs sake.
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[FONT="Book Antiqua"]I agree. Most anime now-a-days is indeed directed a teens. I think the only way one could feel that anime is being watered down is if you a watching dubs, such as the past One Piece dub. (Ha, beat you to it Ace.) Like 2007----uh, 2008DigitalBoy said, just watch on the interweb, and you get the good, original form anime was meant for.[/FONT]
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I don't know if you could call american "anime" anime. if you're talking about cartoons like avatar, not an anime. but if your talking one peice/dbz/pokemon/ all the other anime's that got ruined by 4 kids ar by america. i think you could consider them watered down. take when luffy was freeing zolo for example. he returned the "water pistol" fire back to them. and all these kids that are watching it are thinking. "o anybody could do that i don't even need to be rubber to resist water". then 4kids says "they're water "pistols" key factor in there, because pistols kill. so yes i do think "american anime" has been watered down
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[FONT="Book Antiqua"]Ok, SOS, I didn't want to play the "4-kids fails" card, but you made me.

It's true that whatever 4-kids touches, ends up losing its fan base, but they don't have exclusive rights to all anime, just some of Shonen Jumps stuff. If you've ever seen the English version of PeaceMaker Kurogane, there's more blood in that the RuRoKen (Samarai X) DBZ, and Saw 3 combined. One piece is indeed an example of watered down anime, but is by no means an average anime viewing.

P.S. Good to see you on.[/FONT]
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[quote name='Humaru']Im tired of seeing 4 year olds going around here wearing bandanas with the leaf village symbol on them.[/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Indeed.

Now, how old were you when Power Rangers first came out? Eh?

Small kids geek over shows they like. They collect merchandise like there's no tomorrow. It was the same with the Lone Ranger, the TMNT, Spiderman, and Spongebob. ([I]*cringe*[/I]) Naruto fandom isn't really a surprise.

I don't think anime is becoming childish. I just think you're looking in the wrong places. Try the back of Hastings.....[/FONT]
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I suggest that you not watch crap on TV. I mean imo the only good anime that shows on american TV is Ergo Proxy,The Boondocks, and Petite Cossette. And thats in satellite tv. If you don't mind subs (which I do ) go and watch stuff that isn't out in the U.S. yet on the interent. But once it like comes to america....refrain from downloading. Not only is it illegal but it is also frowned upon heavily in the anime community(I personally think if you dl stuff that is out on dvd in the U.S. you are a stingy bastard).(Oh yea and I know that downloading things that arent out yet in the U.S. is illegal too but...well it's less frowned upon and basically everyone does it.)

Anyway anime is as kiddis has normal tv. If you sit at home and watch nickelodeon or the Disney Channel all day your not gonna find too much stuff for adults. But if you watch showtime or Bravo all day you might find something...

Same with anime. Look in the right place and you will find.
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[COLOR="77656"]Panache, Boondocks is NOT anime. It's based on a comic, not a manga. It's style is just influnced a bit by anime. Blood+ is good, and Eureka Seven was good. To bad Adult Swim took it out of the lineup :( They also had Neon Genesis Evangelion, and that show is deintily not childish.[/COLOR]
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If you are reading mangas for ages 13 and below, then of course they may be childish.
If you do not care for the childish mangas, then I suggest looking at the ones for ages 13+ or OT.
Not ALL of the 13- are childish, but many of them are.
And the only reason naruto and DBZ are becoming less for teens and more for kids is because they're on channels like Cartoon Network...kiddy central, as it should be named.
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[COLOR="RoyalBlue"][FONT="Lucida Sans Unicode"][quote name='Humaru;800919]Everyone knows how to get in contact with some great anime whether it be classic or new styled. But some anime is getting too childish I think. Of course there are animes just for kids, such as Pokemon or Digimon but what about Naruto or Dragonball Z. These animes in their original forms are just plain great but when they get shown to kids all watered down...they lose the impact they should make on an individual. [/QUOTE]Does it matter? No matter what the show is, if it’s put on a channel meant for kids, it’s going to get edited to fit that format. It’s not like you can’t get some of these anime's in their original format. Like Naruto for instance, I’m pretty sure they are selling those in an uncut format as well at the stores. There’s no such thing as losing impact when you consider that they are trying to market it to an audience that is full of children. And there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be able to do that really. [quote name='Humaru'']I love Naruto as much as the next guy but Im tired of seeing 4 year olds going around here wearing bandanas with the leaf village symbol on them. At first, Im thinkin that wow...this anime is really impactful but then parents are completely clueless to the fact that their kids are watching an anime that has people getting theirs hearts punched out and heads knocked off. Im not against kids watching anime but Im just angry that kids are making watching anime more childish by the day. I ,for one, dont want some old person coming up to me and say that stuff is for kids when I have a Naruto or Dragonball Z manga in my hand because I'll tell them off. What do you guys think.[/quote]To be honest, I get tired of the silly rant on how anime is being watered down, on how it’s being ruined by the kids when the fact is that it’s the major companies who are doing the edits, the authors of said shows who are approving of the changes being made. Not the kids who are watching it. I can guarantee you that not one kid in America or any other country gets to tell the producers or companies like FUNimation how they should make the shows.

Seriously, let the kids be kids and enjoy their watered down version of Naruto or any other anime show. Don't try to force them to enjoy the show as it was meant to be enjoyed since usually that's for someone who isn't a kid. In time, like any other kid, they'll grow up and then if they so choose they can rewatch them without the edits or the changes. But for now, it's silly to get upset or even think that the companies shouldn't be able to produce versions that reach a broader market than just the teens or adults it was originally meant for. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR="Navy"]Actually, I have to agree with Panache... a little bit, anyway. If you look on the right channels, you can find some animes that're not being edited. I wouldn't think Death Note, Blood+, and whatever else is being shown on Adult Swim was being watered down. (I wouldn't know because I haven't seen the original, and I don't intend to.)

Honestly, complaining about animes that're on CN is rather pointless. You should expect majority of what they air to be edited. That's why I go into some of these shows with little expectations. (Except when fans overhype things >_>)

Like Panache said, there's always the internet (which I stay away from), and then there's the dvds (which I also stay away from lol.) As for them channels; Starz Edge is airing Desert Punk. I haven't watched it yet, but it's uncut. IFC is suppose to be re-running Basilisk which is also uncut. And then there's Encore and Fuse. (but Fuse still edit... I think) Oh yeah, the AZN channel as well.[/COLOR]
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[quote name='Premonition'][COLOR="77656"]Panache, Boondocks is NOT anime. It's based on a comic, not a manga. It's style is just influnced a bit by anime. Blood+ is good, and Eureka Seven was good. To bad Adult Swim took it out of the lineup :( They also had Neon Genesis Evangelion, and that show is deintily not childish.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Manga=japanese word for comic. But since I know that there is no way in hell anyone will agree with my definition of anime I will go ahead and say you are right. Even though I think you are wrong. Because if I don't one of the most useless discussions in the world will occur.The definition of anime...(yes it is a discussion as many people disagree on the definiton).

Oh yea and if they ever put case closed back up you should watch that. That's a damn good show.
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[quote name='Panache']Manga=japanese word for comic. But since I know that there is no way in hell anyone will agree with my definition of anime I will go ahead and say you are right. Even though I think you are wrong. Because if I don't one of the most useless discussions in the world will occur.The definition of anime...(yes it is a discussion as many people disagree on the definiton).

Oh yea and if they ever put case closed back up you should watch that. That's a damn good show.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]You can logically define the Boondocks as anime, it just makes you a douche. [/COLOR]
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[COLOR="Indigo"][quote name='2008DigitalBoy'][COLOR="DarkOrange"]You can logically define the Boondocks as anime, it just makes you a douche. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]Not really, it just means that you're either not too aware of how the word is considered, or your not an elitist otaku snob who nitpicks over what the definition anime includes. Though I take it to refer to animation that was made in Japan. Also, I would imagine that Panache is referring to how the second season of The Boondocks features segments animated by Japanese animation studio Madhouse. Thus making it more than just a simple American cartoon. :p

Now as for the topic... Anime is moving away from being childish instead of becoming more that way. Even if there is edited versions on a channel like CN, you can still turn around and get those unedited on DVD where in the past, and by past try looking back at how shows like Sailor Moon or Gatchaman were not only butchered but until recently, you couldn't even get the original on DVD. So it's definitely moving away from being childish. [/COLOR]
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[font="trebuchet ms"] I really think that some anime purists need to get over themselves.

Although I have to disagree with SunfallE's post, or at least question it. I thought that the creator's studio merely sold rights to companies, and don't actually get any say in how they're being edited. Like, I doubt One Piece's creator was there approving everything 4Kids did to it. But I do agree that a show isn't the fans' property.

In the end, this argument reminds me of the really annoying Harry Potter purists who whined their ****ing heads off when Hermione's dress in the 4th movie was pink, not blue or whatever it was supposed to be. [/font]
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[quote name='Lunox][font="trebuchet ms"'] I really think that some anime purists need to get over themselves.[/font][/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Oh come on, [COLOR="DarkRed"]Lunox[/COLOR]. Not everybody knows how to use their heads the right way.

Don't be such a profiler. Jeez.[/FONT]
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Nah I just don't like the definition. I don't think it makes sense to say cartoons from certain parts of Asia made by asian people should be called something else. If that's the case if I wanted to make my own anime one day I would be ****** because I am A not Asian B not living in Asia. So yea. I don't like defining anime as Japanese cartoons. They are just cartoons. So call me a Douche or Elitist otaku or whatever the **** you want. I don't give a damn. That's what I think. I've argued my *** off about it before. And that isn't fun. So from now on if I say something is anime and you disagree either Pm me or ignore me. And if you have something to say about this whole paragraph pm me because if you respond you will throw the thread off track even more.

But damn we are like...way off topic. So I figure I will put some helpful links here. You wanna find mature anime? Look at these top review sites.

[URL="http://www.themanime.org/reviewlist.php"]http://www.themanime.org/reviewlist.php[/URL]

[URL="http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/"]http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/[/URL]
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[quote name='Panache']Nah I just don't like the definition. I don't think it makes sense to say cartoons from certain parts of Asia made by asian people should be called something else. If that's the case if I wanted to make my own anime one day I would be ****** because I am A not Asian B not living in Asia. So yea. I don't like defining anime as Japanese cartoons. They are just cartoons. So call me a Douche or Elitist otaku or whatever the **** you want. I don't give a damn. That's what I think. I've argued my *** off about it before. And that isn't fun. So from now on if I say something is anime and you disagree either Pm me or ignore me. And if you have something to say about this whole paragraph pm me because if you respond you will throw the thread off track even more.

But damn we are like...way off topic. So I figure I will put some helpful links here. You wanna find mature anime? Look at these top review sites.

[URL="http://www.themanime.org/reviewlist.php"]http://www.themanime.org/reviewlist.php[/URL]

[URL="http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/"]http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]An elitist otaku is what I am. They would never consider it anime.[/COLOR]
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[quote name='ZachIsAPanda']One Piece, all terrible lumps of crap.[/QUOTE]

I shall breathe deeply now and overlook this horrible blasphemy... Yes, Kahn, for this lasting impression, your face has gained a permanent place of honor on the dartboard in my head.

[quote name='Humaru']I love Naruto as much as the next guy but Im tired of seeing 4 year olds going around here wearing bandanas with the leaf village symbol on them. At first, Im thinkin that wow...this anime is really impactful but then parents are completely clueless to the fact that their kids are watching an anime that has people getting theirs hearts punched out and heads knocked off.[/quote]

Hey, just so we're on the same page, are you talking about the same Naruto that airs on Cartoon Network almost uncut every weekend? 'Cuz the gore you're talking about here... nonexistant. There's blood, but Naruto is literally a children's show in Japan. Children in Japan don't tend to witness decapitations every Saturday morning.

Anyway, it depends on which market you look at. Japan has probably stayed pretty consistent with the Anime they release to the public. America, however, tends to do this thing called "censoring" because what is deemed acceptable behavior in Japan may not be so much here. In order to avoid bashing either country as a whole, I'm going to call this the "difference of cultures (americasucks)." Oddly enough, Shonen is slowing down a bit in Japan, it seems. SJ's "big three" (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece) are more or less the only smash hit franchises to garner enough attention to make it to America in a while.
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[quote name='Aceburner']Oddly enough, Shonen is slowing down a bit in Japan, it seems. SJ's "big three" (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece) are more or less the only smash hit franchises to garner enough attention to make it to America in a while.[/QUOTE]
The key here is the last half of your sentence. There are a lot of shows (shonen and otherwise) that are huge in Japan but, for some reason, don't do well in the US. Even a lot of Gundam falls into this category... nothing since Wing has been as popular as one would expect.

So yeah, I wouldn't say that shounen is slowing down at all in Japan... Shows like Major, Hayate no Gotoku, Blue Dragon, Keroro Gunso, Kekkaishi and Eyeshield 21 usually manage to be in or around the top ten highest-rated (in terms of number of viewers) anime in Japan, but for whatever reason, with the exception of Keroro Gunso, you don't exactly see anyone leaping to license them, and even that took a while.

~Dagger~
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