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[b]EPISODE 7: A MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPON'S FIRST TRY [/b] A security operator was frantically trying to get the cameras in the room to work. Arakfu shoved him aside. "Let the expert do the work." He said, gleefuly typing at the console like a psychotic octopus. "Camera. Signal. Present." announced an artificial voice. "Well, then show it!" He stared for a moment at the original diplomats. "You call THAT and artificial intelligence?" A part of the arch started shimmering... then nothing. It stayed black. Arakfu looked at it with squinted eyes, then resumed typing. "Spectrum. Vision. Activated." Several screen showed up. One showed a psychotic swirl of color, another a reddish shimmering form on the ground, the other remained black. More typing. "Whipers. Activated." A small window suddenly cleared in the middle of the lens. It showed the room. Covered in splashes of bright colors, and the prone shape of the Rodaerot queen leaning against the arc, apparently fainted. She twitched. A'ou'p's started laughing. "Great weapon of mass destruction you've got there!" He stuttered between two fits of laughers. "Covers everything with a layer of colored microorganisms!" He rolled on the floor. "We'd better get the Queen out before she suffocate. It must have blocked her respiratory pores." Üxkolak noted. "And why would we want to do that?" Vandycan asked. "Because her daughter is far stupider than she is." Arakfu retorted, turning the field off... To reveal an opaque wall of magnificent colors. He blinked. "These things are always full of surprises..." Vandycan said, approaching and eyeing the thing with an evident interest. [b]EPISODE 8: WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS... [/b] Three korrigans approached the console and piled up so one of them could reach the screen. He squinted his eyes. "I think you should have a look at this." He said hesitatingly. "Why is that?" Arakfu said, poking at the opaque wall of unknown substance with a wooden stick. "Because either the camera is seriously unfocussing or the furniture is melting." The small creature answered calmly. "WHAT?" He rushed to the console. "Zoom. Activated." announced the now familiar voice. Everybody looked at the holo-screen still hanging in mid-air just before the arch. It was very evident that that desks, podiums and chairs were somehow melting to the ground. A chandelier fell down in the middle of the room without a sound. Then, the screen flickered and was replaced with static. A very faint crashing was heard, or rather detected. "Signal. Lost." "I've noticed, thank you." The korrigan said sarcastically. "My. Pleasure." "What was that noise?" Arakfu asked. "From the sound, probably the camera falling down." Aqui~*, the first Korrigan, answered. (Korrigans have very keen hears.) "Well, at least we know that these things eat metal." Verrva, the second one added. "What about the queen?" A'ou'p's reminded them. "If it was any other sort of weapon, I'd go in happily, but half my body is composed of titanium and lead..." "What about the building?" Senator Peacephoenix pointed out. "What about us?" nervously asked a delegate. "I'll go." an hollow voice stated. [i]*i~ here symbolise a nasal voyel as the one in the french words "saint" or "fin"[/i]
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Loved that part too, even though I don't understand it. Probably because I don't know Ben enough. Great chapter, and don't worry, you can put all the cliffhanger you wants ;)
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Vampire: Ed [/i] [B]By the way, is anyone else finding it amusing that they think so little of this stunt, and are outraged at it, but yet they have to replay it fifty times, as well as layer news papers, magazines, and web sites with pictures of it while still saying how disgusting it is having to see it? I think it's quite hilarious. [/B][/QUOTE] I call it the "American Media Paradox"
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[b]INTERLUDE 1: CHARACTER SURVEY[/b] ARAKFU [b]Race[/b]: Shanti [b]Gender[/b]: Male [b]1rst Apparition[/b]: Episode 1 Arakfu is leader of his race, elected among family leaders (The Shantis work as an enlightened Oligarchy), he always try to work out the best for everybody. Shantis have inverted knees, no body hair, a pale brown skin, small horns in place of ears and no bones in their hands. Their brain is very logical and they are specialist in electronics. Their traditional enemies are the Papinists. ÜXKOLAK [b]Race[/b]: Baltar [b]Gender[/b]: Male [b]1rst Apparition[/b]: Episode 1 Üxkolak could be best described as an elected "king", since he is the only elected leader in his home world's political structure. Baltars have four arms on two shoulders and small butting horns, looking slightly like goatish demons. A'OU'P'S [b]Race[/b]: Shupass [b]Gender[/b]: Unknown [b]1rst Apparition[/b]: Episode 2 A'ou'p's is not sure just how he got where he is currently. It seems that he simply was the only voluntary to this position. Shupussi are a mineral-based life form native to the cave of an errant planet without a sun. They see things with a radar-type sense and feeds of special radiations emitted by their planet's soil. (sing. Shupass, pl. Shupussi) THE RODAEROT QUEEN [b]Race[/b]: Rodaerot [b]Gender[/b]: Female [b]1rst Apparition[/b]: Episode 2 The Rodaerot Queen is a bubbly, airy, blonde-ish hereditary queen. While she is technically a female from a purely biological point of views, her species' sexual anatomic characteristics are inverted from those of many races. Rodaerots are powerful psions. GREK-6 [b]Race[/b]: Maahk [b]Gender[/b]: Neutral [b]1rst Apparition[/b]: Episode 3 Grek-6 is not originally a politician: he is a fleet commander who just happened to be in the area when the UWF was formed, and was appointed as his people's representative. He tends to be slightly confused about discussed issues. Maahks are wider than tall, they have a rigid neck and a banana-shaped head with 2 eyes at each extremity giving them a 360-degree vision. They are at home most in methan-based atmosphere and while they have humanoid hands, their arms are extremely flexible. "Just Mentioned" characters and races: [I]Ar'thul[/I]: A varan [I]Altarians[/I] [I]Jinguisems[/I] [I]Dihanars[/I] [I]Elves[/I]: Atlantean, Perseid, Tucanid, Vegan, Achernar High Elves [I]Yadel Prince[/I]: son of the Yadel delegate [I]Korrigans[/I]
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Well, I don't know what fandom it is from (And I would probably not know it even if you told me:sweat: ) but I think it's quite good. It has a nice composition and colors, and a feeling too. I just think the lines are a bit too blurry, OUTSIDE, those that are [b]supposed[/b] to be blurred, of course.
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1. Poison of the Old Man 2. Lava Golem 3. Nightmare Wheel 4. Book of the Moon 5. Book of the Moon 6. Book of the Moon 7. Mask of the Accursed 8. Mask of the Accursed 9. Raigeki 10. Gravity Bind 11. Monster Reborn 12. Giant Trunade 13.Ring of Destruction 14. Barrel Behind the Door 15. Tribe-Infecting Virus 16. Man-Eater Bug 17. Man-Eater Bug 18. Man-Eater Bug It's always to look at this and :rolleyes: Why Man-Eaters and not Penguin Soldiers or Mysterious Guard (a personnal favorite:D)? Why Giant Trunade instead of Heavy Storm? Well, anyway, here goes [b]19. Gravity Bind[/b] (2nd) For a burner to survive, at least two of them are needed. More strategy-centered cards could also be used. Right now, the thing is more a mesh of cards than a deck :therock:
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I just [i]can't[/i] believe I managed to [i]miss[/i] this for so long. Just perfect. Seriously, am I supposed to think of something better? Anyway, great writing, lollyful ideas and stories. I'm waiting in a corner to see the next chapter, this time ;)
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[b]EPISODE 5: DIPLOMATIC INCIDENTS 101[/b] Üxkolak and Grek-6, the Maahk, followed suit. Vandycan, slightly confused, stayed there looking as they ran along the row of seats, knocking down the sleepy Varan delegate in the process. In a grinding noise of abused metal (thanks to the baltar's sharp claws), they stopped behind the queen. Focussed on her task, she didn't notice them until Arakfu slapped her behind the head. Sputtering and surprised, she let go of her telepathic manipulation in such a sharp way that the Elven High Delegate's tunic was neatly ripped in half and the parts sent to opposed sides of the audition podium. "Uh oh." was the only think that could come to Arakfu's mind. The Rodaerot queen blushed a short moment before exploding in what could only be described as "ultrasonic fits of hysterical laughs". Several screams of horror echoed across the room, and a young Yadel prince fainted. The delegate's body was entirely covered with horrid suppuring tumours*. Covering himself the best he could, he somehow managed to yell his anger so that even without the microphone, he could be heard across the whole small-town-sized room. He snatched his robe, which seemed to have fallen over a small greenish box with a symbol in a language unknown to anybody present. The severed fabric element, however, apparently got caught on some sort of lever. The extremely annoyed, and now quite embarrassed delegate tugged sharply on it, incidentally pulling the lever. The engine emitted a "Beep", which repeated itself every 2 seconds, then every 1 and half, and so on with an accelerating rate. An alarm suddenly blared. "Oh NO!" Weapon Master Vandycan exclaimed. "Everybody get out of the room! NOW!" [size=1][i]*The degeneration afflicting the Elves is not only moral and scientific, but also physical. they are sickly and extremely prone to terminal-type illness. Most panimmunity treatment can do little to help them.[/i][/size] [b]EPISODE 6: WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THAT ARCH?[/b] Grek-6 and the Vandycan leaned against the wall, their breaths wheezing. "Just what was in that box?" the methan-breathing alien asked. "Some sort of nasty mutant proteo-virus we found on the third moon of Guitry XV." the Weapon Master explained. "And what does it do?" Grek-6 pushed further. "I don't know. We haven't tested it on anything yet." The maahk stared at him with his front eyes. Then, the intercom went alive. "Hey! Let me out! I don't want to miss the fun." said an annoyed voice. Grek-6 clapped his hand on his knee, equivalent to his race of rolling his eyes. Yet they had made sure the damned one was toroughfully unconscious before exiting. "I can see you!" she said threateningly as the Vandycan suddenly felt his feet giving up under him. Everybody looked at him as he started floating in mid-air. "Hey! What's that cloud?" the Rodaerot exclaimed. "OoooOOoh! Pretty colours!" Then a thudding sound and a beefy security operator lunged to catch the Vandycan before he fell to the ground, landing in a group of korrigans. Grek-6 looked at Arakfu and A'ou'p's. "So, what now? Do we open the door?" He asked in his race's usual raspy tone.
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[b]EPISODE 3: GUEST WRITER[/b] [i]This chapter was written by PeacePhoenix[/i] They reached the sieges and sat down. But it didn't help them to lurk into the senate debate: for an unknown reason, they couldn't hear anything useful from the senators. It looked like some powerful device was in place that transformed the senate debate in pure noise, even for people with lip- or mind-reading capabilities. They were staring at each other trying to determine what to do next when they saw a orange light approaching them. As the light was closing in to them, they saw that it had a bird shape. Finally, a orange-red and yellow phoenix was left standing before them and spoke peacefully: "Greetings new members. As I see, you have tried to access an unauthorized area. But it doesn't matter since the control panel and the associated force field was just here to let us know who would try to access the council chamber. As you can see, we have a better way of assuring the privacy of the debate. Only senators are allowed to participate. Those who aren't allowed can't intercept the debates." The phoenix added: "The security team is very proud of their achievement. As soon as they find a security breach, they close it. Have a good day". And the phoenix left them in the same way it has come. [b]EPISODE 4: OLD-AGE AGES-OLD ELVES[/b] [I]2 weeks later[/I] "Üxkolak! Look at this!" Arakfu whispered excitedly to the leader in the next siege. "Yeah. I've noticed. 'Audience for accession of the Elven Confederation'. This is going to be good." At this moment, the delegation entered the room, wearing classical age tunics. "Excuse me," said a voice behind them. Looking back, they could see it was the Vandycan representative. "but I couldn't help overhearing your conversation. Do you know of them?" "Most definitely" snorted Arakfu. "The Elven Confederation is from the same Galactic Arm as we were, but due to an unfortunate diplomatic blunder..." At this point, he glared toward the Rodaerot Queen, a dozen seats to his right. "They wouldn't want anything to do with us, not even a commercial treaty." "That's rather harsh." "They are extremely chauvinistic." Üxkolak pointed out. "And it's not like they have any reason!" "Tell me about it." the Maahk delegate piped in from his other side. "Their technology is nearly 2 centuries late!" "Their last important breakthrough was the iron-Lead peroxide as stabiliser in slower- than-light propulsors." Arakfu added, rolling his eyes. "Their civilization has been declining for nearly a millennia." One of the Maahk's secondary eyes suddenly caught something. The main delegate's tunic seemed to somehow be unbuttoning all by itself. (these old-age tunics are closed with buttons on the backside) "Uh, people, I think someone is going to cause another diplomatic incident!" He nodded at the queen, and they all turned sharply their eyes at her to see that she was concentrating and looking intently at the Elven delegate with a very non-engaging smile (or whatever it was) across her face. "This is not good!" Arakfu said, getting up.
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[size=1][i]Ok, what's this all about? I play Galactic Civilization, a strategy game by stardock ([url]www.galciv.com[/url]). This story started as a few posts related to my small one-player empire joining a larger one, who then got out of hands and lives of their own. This is NO big story. I have NO planned storyline, it's made of very short parts and it's full of logic mistakes, but it's fun as hell to write, And I plan to continue as long as I have ideas. It's like the 5th place I post it (Both of my empire's forums, the Galciv.com forum and Fanfiction.net :worried: ), but I happen to like it very much, so for your pleasure... A fanfic to which I can't find any appropriate title (it's, like, the 4th?)[/i][/size] [b]EPISODE 1: INTRODUCTION[/b] Arakfu, leader of the Shantis, stood up. "How can the United Worlds Federation act up on a galactic level if it remains such a secondary force?" "I didn't know we were even a 'secondary force'." sneered Ar'thul, a Varan. "Well, what do you suggest?" the representant of the Altarian system of Guernevy retorted. "If the Shanti representative had a suggestion, we would be discussing it!" cut the senate leader, a massive, four armed Baltar. "The point of the Shanti representative [i]is[/i] to get suggestions." "We could join one of the larger council." pointed out a Jinguisem representative whose name nobody could pronounce. "This is an idea I support." the Dihanar announced. It was an heated discussion, especially considering that many races despised the idea of losing influence by joining a larger alliance, but it was finally voted at 43 vs 24. The United World Federation would join with a council whose philosophy was similar: to allow smaller nation to play a role by uniting them together. On the 24 September 2546, human notation, the United World Federation joined the Diplomats Council. [b]EPISODE 2: INTRUDING THE SENATE[/b] Impressed delegates circulated in the whole building. The mineral Shupass discussed with Üxkolak, former leader of the Federation. "You know, it actually seems that we can act out our message much more effectively here." The cave-dwelling alien said. "It was to be expected. Not only do we are allied to people many of us never met before, but they can help us contact others, even farther away." the larger one replied. "This place is gorgeous!" The Rodaerot Queen exclaimed, passing by, and they both did whatever in their race's body language was an equivalent of palming one's forehead. Accepting a female leader in the United World Federation had caused an extremely heated debate, nearly a scission, and it was a still often regretted decision. "What is in there?" She said, approaching an immense arch's control panel to deactivate the opaque energy field closing it. "NO!" The two other delegates ran (Or whatever they did) to her. "That is the Council Chamber!" They reached just as the field shut down and closed their sensory receptors. "We are not allowed in there!" A'ou'p's, the shupass, explained, trying to drive the Queen away, but she used her mental power to mind-slap him as he unfortunately reached into a more private area of her body. She grunted. "Come on! It's not like they seem to mind!" She cheered them up. Their eyes opened in surprise, and they could see that she was right. None of the dozen or so senate members seemed to notice them. "Let's try not to get noticed." Üxkolak sensibly suggested, and he hurried them up toward sieges in a farther away section of the immense room. These people certainly liked to go out gargantuanly.
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I shall follow this too, as it does have great potential for humor.
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Actually, your main aim with a CED will always be to get a OTK by having a witch or sangan on the field and then searching for Yata, but I'm pretty sure you knew that already? Also, all these methods you just listed that do work admirably with Chaos Soldier will also apply magnificently to Chaos Emperor Dragon. Whatever you say, the fact that CED can be used for a OTK will always give him a slight edge.
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1. Poison of the Old Man 2. Lava Golem 3. Nightmare Wheel 4. Book of the Moon 5. Book of the Moon 6. Book of the Moon 7. Mask of the Accursed 8. Mask of the Accursed Humm... I think we are in need of... [B]Raigeki[/B] About time someone adds a staple. Getting all the opponent's monster out of the way will always be a good thing. BTW, you people DO realise that we only have 1 Lava Golem so far, uh?
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1. Sinister Serpent 2. Ring of Destruction 3. Snatch Steal 4. Book of the Moon 5. Book of the Moon 6. Magical Scientist 7. Summoned Skull 8. Magician of Faith 9. Fiber Jar 10. Time Wizard 11. Premature Burial 12. Nobleman of Crossout 13. Sangan 14. Torrential Tribute Let's round up the deck with [b]15. Call of the Haunted[/b] The last one of the monster recovery, considered a staple by many, even though I tend to find it troublesome. getting back a monster from your cemetery is sometimes the only thing that can save you, and doing it on the opponent's turn sometimes have interesting effects. This public deck is now completed. Analysises are welcome, but newcomers should look at the [URL=http://otakuboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36318]Public deck #2[/URL]
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Anime "Upperdeck told me", or how to make a fool of yourself...
Circ replied to Circ's topic in Otaku Central
What I'm cussing against is that he says Upperdeck told him his standby phase gows after I draw :eek: -
Anime "Upperdeck told me", or how to make a fool of yourself...
Circ replied to Circ's topic in Otaku Central
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crimson Warrior [/i] [B]Another person, at an irl tourny took like 20 min to understand IFL. He kept thinking he could disc riboh after I boosted. [/B][/QUOTE] I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but he damn well could! While the vast majority of cards can't be activated during damage step, speed 2 and more cards that modify ATK, as well as counter traps and a handful of other cards (Gate Guardian pieces, anybody?) can be activated during damage step. It happens that Kuriboh is one of them is it a very legal move to discard it AFTER the opponent paid 2000 to raise the attack of his lilly. -
Anime "Upperdeck told me", or how to make a fool of yourself...
Circ replied to Circ's topic in Otaku Central
Did you try proving your point by the fact you can't Trap Hole a set monster? -
Anime "Upperdeck told me", or how to make a fool of yourself...
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This is the transcription of the end of a duel in Apprentice. Italic is chat window. Rest is my commentaries. [quote] [i]Goblin Attack Force is tapped.[/i] [i]Goblin Attack Force is attacking.[/i] [i]Circeus's life is now 5700. (-2300)[/i] [i]Goblin Attack Force stops attacking.[/i] [i]Goblin Attack Force is untapped.[/i] [i]Breaker the Mag. Warrior stops attacking.[/i] [i]Breaker the Mag. Warrior is untapped.[/i] [i]Gemini Elf stops attacking.[/i] [i]Gemini Elf is untapped.[/i] [i]Goblin Attack Force is tapped.[/i] [b]So far so good: a Cybar Jar was just flipped during his battle phase, destroying a Gemini and a Vamp Lord, and he's attacking me.[/b] [i]It is now turn 6.[/i] [i]It is now the Untap Phase.[/i] [i]Circeus draws a card.[/i] [i]Zombie moves Vampire Lord from Zombie's graveyard to tabletop.[/i] [b]Uh?[/b] [i]Circeus says:'YOUR standby phase'[/i] [i]Circeus says:'this is MY standby phase'[/i] [i]Circeus says:';-)'[/i] [b]I do believe it is quite clear, even though Apprentice, who always list the connecting player as the 1rst one to play, tells me the contrary.[/b] [i]Zombie says:'ep its my standby phase'[/i] [i]Circeus says:'uh?'[/i] [b]What I said.[/b] [i]Circeus says:'You just ended your turn'[/i] [i]Circeus says:'the turn count is wrong, actually'[/i] [i]Zombie says:'yep now is my standby phase'[/i] [i]Circeus says:'The player who's connecting is always listed as the first player'[/i] [i]Circeus says:'*gaping mouth*'[/i] [b]My physical reaction[/b] [i]Circeus says:'That has to be the most preposterous thing I've seen for a long time'[/i] [i]Zombie says:'standby phase is after your turn has ended and it is your opponents turn'[/i] [b]Someone helps me. A dullhead.[/b] [i]Circeus says:'I am NOT continuing this duel'[/i] [i]Circeus says:'yup, it's then your OPPONENT'S TURN'[/i] [i]Circeus says:'thus HIS standby phase'[/i] [i]Circeus says:'Since when YOUR phases occur during the OPPONENT'S turn?'[/i] [b]And here I though this was the kind of basics people actually remembered from the rulebook... Or at least realised by themselves, but apparently that guy seems to suffer a genetic lag in common sense.[/b] [i]Zombie says:'i checked with upper deck '[/i] [i]Zombie says:'and know i'm right'[/i] [b]As said earlier, the most preposterous thing I heard since I've started playing the game.[/b] [i]Circeus says:'*eyes wide*'[/i] [b]Again, my physical reaction. At that point, he disconnected.[/b] [/quote] Have you ever met a duelist who not only horribly mangled rulings of the game (Aside, please, "show" rulings), but was seriously thinking he was right? He was lucky I didn't use a Fire Princes deck. With my standby phase at the beginning of his turn, I'd have trounced him. One wonders if he'd have let me... -
Outside the pointed out mispelling, maybe cut the pic so that nothing is lost? The shadow behing the y is cut, as well as a noticeable part of the top and bottom (Else they'd be like the sides). Very nice picture. I like it. Which font is used? (By the way, did you use the Aetherize plug-in for that nifty color effect?)
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Anime New Yugi and Kaiba Evolution Starter Decks + Marik Structure
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I'm wondering what site name got pasted over in the marik picture LOL. -
Might as well toss in something new :bluesweat: 1. Poison of the Old Man 2. Lava Golem [b]3. Nightmare Wheel[/b] A card whose power I have witnessed myself. Good when you just don't want your opponent to flip that face-down card, or stop a tribute monster in it's track. The additionnal damage is nice, plus it just goes plain well with Lava Golem.
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In Sci-Fi, I like the works of Robert Sheckley and Isaac Asimov. You might be interested with the recently translated works of Bernard Werber. I'm nowhere near advanced in fantasy as many people around, but I love the Discworld serie by Terry Pratchett none the less.
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How about this other definition: An evil person does "evil" actions just for the sake of doing evil actions, or for no reason at all?
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Various thing I found really interesting so far: [QUOTE]That doesn't mean there's no good in the world. And it doesn't mean that there's no hope. [/QUOTE] Actually I believe the world is hopeless, but that'S because I believe that everybody is profoundly stupid to some level. [QUOTE]Agreed. however, good and evil are moral concerns, and morals are heavily tied in with emotions. This isn't academic. [/QUOTE] Actually, morale is a philosophic notion, thus can be discussion "unemotionally", but most event considered "immoral" just happen to strike emotional cords as well. Don't confuse effect and cause. [QUOTE]I think that if you're a person like, say, Saddam Hussein, then you are obviously a person with severe psychological problems. I'd certainly say that Saddam is a completely psychotic killer who I personally find revolting.[/QUOTE] That's an excellent. I'd say 90% of the people that are labelled as "evil" can certainly not be considered good, but usually can't be labelled with "evil" when looked at objectively. I don't think Hitler was "evil" he was a megalomaniacal fanatic and a paranoid, but when you go deep enough, you find a quite noble effort: the improvement of the human race. NOW, I definitely think is approach to the problem and his mean to achieve is goal where utterly inappropriate and immoral, and as actions, could be labelled as "evil". But I probably wouldn't label him as "evil". Some of his henchmen were actually probably more "evil" than he was. [QUOTE]I have one or two friends who love pain and harm immensely; and I don't see how enjoying inflicting hurt on them if they enjoy it makes that some how evil. [/QUOTE] You are misinterpreting him. "ALL evil can do is...". If your friends actually find pleasure in being inflicted pain upon, then the "torturer" is certainly not evil. Now if he keepes going when your friends yell for him to stop... [QUOTE]You cannot condemn a person simply because they cannot tell what is "right" and what is "wrong" according to your own standards.[/QUOTE] Again, good point. Moral temds to be subjective. But then some acts, like senseless murder, are universaly considered immoral. I also like very much the definition of evil as "lack of good", though I think it becomes a bit restrictive. I don't see where a psychotic killer and torturer who is still a loving father and husband fits this definition...
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The most awful taste ever! (sensitive people watch out!)
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Naru [/i] [B]lets see...the most horrible thing i've ever eaten? you know when you leave milk in the fridge? it gets all green and chunky and nasty....well my friend dared me to drink it. i threw up. it was THAT bad. ~naru-chan [/B][/QUOTE] Green? :eek: I should consider myself lucky I've never got farther than the chunky...