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[QUOTE=DeathKnight][color=crimson]I'm still not able to tell how much of this thread is serious or not.

If you're being serious here 2k7NonEntityBoy then this is a good indicator of your age.[/color][/QUOTE]

XD

anywho, Aryanna_mom, don't overstep your boundaries. I am most definetally not your son, nor would i like to be. i have my own mother who I love very dearly, and she would never lay a hand on me. So, buzz off, old woman :p

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[COLOR=goldenrod][QUOTE=Nonentity]XD

anywho, Aryanna_mom, don't overstep your boundaries. I am most definetally not your son, nor would i like to be. i have my own mother who I love very dearly, and she would never lay a hand on me. So, buzz off, old woman :p[/QUOTE]Watch it, don't go calling my mother names. *pulls out her mod rod* Show some respect or else! And believe me, I don't want you as a brother. :p[/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=The Boss][color=darkred][size=1]

We aren't asking for the OBs to be exclusive to Hentai fans. We just want the hentai fan to be INCLUDED on the OBs.[/size][/color][/QUOTE][font=Book Antiqua]You have already included yourselves by opening a thread, so I find that argument old. Why do you all need an entire forum for something that can be discussed just as easily in the Anime Lounge? Is that not what it's there for?

Instead of demanding change, why not try to improve what's already there? Spoiler tags would be an obvious muss when speaking of the more explicit scenes, but I think it's a much more fathomable solution then needing a subforum or your own forum.
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[COLOR=Navy][B]Aaryana stop yelling at your brother. kidding![/B][/COLOR]

[COLOR=Navy]But if this keeps up, everybody who wants the hentai won't get diddly squat. I may not be legally 18, so A_M don't yell at me. But if you all keep fighting like kids, then hentai is out of the question completely. If you guys can't handle it maturely don't handle it at all.

Now, I know that this coin hast wo sides, but your all acting like there's a third side.Wwhich this side is the part where you all fight over something so stupid.

How about we can discuss hentai, but not post it! We have to stop fighting over this. Yes I acted immature before, but this is getting ridiculous.

CONTROL YOURSELVES!!![/COLOR]

[B][COLOR=Navy]We are just becomming enemies when our views get too out of hand. We should all just get along. Look at me and Non. I don't want hentai on the boards, but he does and we aren't trying to kill each other like dogs.[/COLOR][/B]

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[QUOTE=JJ][font=Book Antiqua]You have already included yourselves by opening a thread, so I find that argument old. Why do you all need an entire forum for something that can be discussed just as easily in the Anime Lounge? Is that not what it's there for?

Instead of demanding change, why not try to improve what's already there? Spoiler tags would be an obvious muss when speaking of the more explicit scenes, but I think it's a much more fathomable solution then needing a subforum or your own forum.
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The forum is needed so that there is no risk or danger of minors or those who find the materials offensive coming across the materials. The forum is needed so that the subject matter may be discussed at liberty and without fear that someone may be offended by mistakingly checking out a thread that is potentially pornographic.

We're trying to be civil about this.[/color][/size]

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[size=1]DigitalWhoever: If your posts are in any way representative of the the maturity level of these boards, then I think you've probably made the strongest argument so far [i]against[/i] adding a hentai forum. Keep your personal attacks to yourself. This is a discussion forum, not a workshop for fledgling insult comedians. Perhaps her virtual spanking was out of line, but no moreso than anything we've seen in this thread so far. You are the last person who should be able to speak about overstepping boundaries.

Her point about the potential legal conflicts of adding a hentai forum are valid. Certainly there are a million ways that youngsters can be exposed to adult material, but I don't see why OB has to be one of them. Open a seperate window and fap off to that, heh.

As for my challenge: In the anime hentai thread the most thorough and intelligent posts regarding the subject have been made by members who don't support the creation of a hentai forum. If the members most likely to post in a hentai forum don't support the creation of one, exactly what audience is this proposed forum catering to? I've yet to see any evidence that there is a significant demand for something like this.

-Shy[/size]

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[QUOTE=Premonition][COLOR=Navy][B]Aaryana stop yelling at your brother. kidding![/B][/COLOR]

[COLOR=Navy]But if this keeps up, everybody who wants the hentai won't get diddly squat. I may not be legally 18, so A_M don't yell at me. But if you all keep fighting like kids, then hentai is out of the question completely. If you guys can't handle it maturely don't handle it at all.

Now, I know that this coin hast wo sides, but your all acting like there's a third side.Wwhich this side is the part where you all fight over something so stupid.

How about we can discuss hentai, but not post it! We have to stop fighting over this. Yes I acted immature before, but this is getting ridiculous.

CONTROL YOURSELVES!!![/COLOR]

[B][COLOR=Navy]We are just becomming enemies when our views get too out of hand. We should all just get along. Look at me and Non. I don't want hentai on the boards, but he does and we aren't trying to kill each other like dogs.[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]

^^;; I wonder if you remember the reason this thread was started... ?
@ Shy: you either?

And anyway, right now I'm seeing the only arguement against this as it's not okay for underage people. Well, since we're blocking it to them, what's the deal?

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[QUOTE=Shy][size=1]DigitalWhoever: If your posts are in any way representative of the the maturity level of these boards, then I think you've probably made the strongest argument so far [i]against[/i] adding a hentai forum. Keep your personal attacks to yourself. This is a discussion forum, not a workshop for fledgling insult comedians. Perhaps her virtual spanking was out of line, but no moreso than anything we've seen in this thread so far. You are the last person who should be able to speak about overstepping boundaries.

Her point about the potential legal conflicts of adding a hentai forum are valid. Certainly there are a million ways that youngsters can be exposed to adult material, but I don't see why OB has to be one of them. Open a seperate window and fap off to that, heh.

As for my challenge: In the anime hentai thread the most thorough and intelligent posts regarding the subject have been made by members who don't support the creation of a hentai forum. If the members most likely to post in a hentai forum don't support the creation of one, exactly what audience is this proposed forum catering to? I've yet to see any evidence that there is a significant demand for something like this.

-Shy[/size][/QUOTE]


[font=tahoma]That pretty much summarizes it up. I think the terrorist cell needs to start looking at the holes in their own arguments before they decide they think they're up to the task of attacking actual logical ones. It's beyond me why people still think there's more to be posted in this thread, the amount of arguments means little compared to the more valid and stronger arguments of what's already been said and established by those opposed to these proposals. The hentai thread in the anime lounge i'm sure has not been going the way the in favor had expected.

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[quote name='Charles']Allamorph, I would argue with your post but there is no way I am wading through all of that. If you need to type that much to prove your point, you are obviously making stuff up.[/quote]
[FONT=Arial]Are you afraid, then, of seeing each and every one of your previous arguments so easily destroyed? Then you doubly discredit yourself, and you have lost already.

Until you rebut my attacks, you cannot be taken seriously. If you wish this to progress beyond the current immaturity that you and yours seem to have a penchant for, [U]answer[/U] [U]my[/U] [U]challenge[/U].[/FONT]

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[COLOR=Navy][SIZE=2][QUOTE=JJ][font=Book Antiqua]You have already included yourselves by opening a thread, so I find that argument old. Why do you all need an entire forum for something that can be discussed just as easily in the Anime Lounge? Is that not what it's there for?

Instead of demanding change, why not try to improve what's already there? Spoiler tags would be an obvious muss when speaking of the more explicit scenes, but I think it's a much more fathomable solution then needing a subforum or your own forum.
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To get this straight, the proposed idea is to have a password protected forum devoted to Hentai in all its shapes and forms. Yet some opposing ideas we've had is that why not just discuss it in the Anime Lounge, after all it is still classified as anime. I understand that, but at the same time so many people are saying that there are many OB members that are below the legal age to view such material which is why there [I]shouldn't[/I] be a forum.

...Has no one else caught on to the fact that if the members who wish to discuss Hentai [I]do[/I] do so in the Anime Lounge as suggested by JJ, it would make it even easier for underage members to view the material! If it was in the AL then NOTHING would be stopping ANYONE from looking at it.

On the other hand if we actually had a separate forum with a password, those who are underage are barred from it so there won't be that worry, and those who may frequent the AL and don't want to see things about Hentai wouldn't have to. They could easily ignore it. Perhaps make it into its own section or something as ridiculous as it sounds, because then it could be folded away, like I have the Classic Otakuboards area closed because I don't go into the Archives.

I know, I know, people have said that members can bypass the age restriction by giving themselves a birthdate above that age. But what problem is that of ours? That doesn't concern us because that would be the member's conscious decision to do so and to purposely lie, and if they do choose to do that, no one has any control over it whatsoever besides maybe the Admins finding out and changing it.

I personally don't watch Hentai and all that, but people are being stubborn and only looking at it one way. A_M especially since you've been strongly arguing about the age of our members. And you may want to look into JJ to see if he's seriously on your side, because that had to be a post against the CTU's arguments of age. Come on, honestly, spoiler tags? How in the world is that helping in anyway?! Sure, it may protect those people who aren't into these things and somehow mistakenly come against it so that they can leave without being scarred, but it is NO WAY helping to keep people below 18 from getting to the information.

And about the barely touched argument about larger graphics. Just because there will be a larger allowance on graphic images [I]doesn't[/I] mean you have to use it. I'm sure there'll be a number of people that would still prefer to stick to their normal sized banners for the neatness, but it is slack for those who may want to display their artistic abilities more. I've been to many other forums and there have been many beautiful pieces that are larger than ours but set in a way that they don't look obtrusive or ridiculously huge. And of course there would still be a limit of some sort, like sticking with one image in your sig and the amount of characters and such so it won't turn out like the sigs in some forums where they are just pointless and muddled.

And I know people have spoken about the different connection speeds. I doubt it would really change that much, and the amount of members using a 56k connection [I]have[/I] to be a minority at this stage where there are so many different and better options.

Even put a new limit on the size, but we're just asking for a stretch of some sort. We want it bigger, not massive big, but bigger so we can fit more into it. I think giving a larger exception would be great and fun.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=Allamorph][FONT=Arial]Are you afraid, then, of seeing each and every one of your previous arguments so easily destroyed? Then you doubly discredit yourself, and you have lost already.

Until you rebut my attacks, you cannot be taken seriously. If you wish this to progress beyond the current immaturity that you and yours seem to have a penchant for, [U]answer[/U] [U]my[/U] [U]challenge[/U].[/FONT][/QUOTE]


Can you blame Charles for not wanting to wade through a post that waffles on longer than a Microsoft end user license? Are you sure that there aren't points in your bloated sermon that doubled up on a previous point in the last chapter?


Concerning bigger things; I'm on a 56k modem, and I support the relaxation of image sizes for banners and avatars. This slow-connection member wishes not to be a martyr for your cause.

I don't mind waiting another minute for a page to load if it means that the memberbase has an appropiate size limit that they can display their creativity with. It's a small price to pay for graphic coolness. Won't somebody please think of the [strike]children[/strike] coolness?

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[font=arial][color=olive]I only have one question at this point: who decides who wins and who loses?

When looking at this thread I'm not sure how Shy/Charles would determine that. I might be interrupting the flow of the thread by asking that question, but it wasn't particularly organised in the first place, so I'm sure the debate will go on around me, lol.[/font][/color]

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[quote name='James][font=arial][color=olive]I only have one question at this point: who decides who wins and who loses?[/font'][/color][/quote]
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If you don't think these users watch oodles of hentai, perhaps you just don't know them well enough.

No one has actually asked me at all about it before. I doubt anyone else in here has been asked either. Stop the assuming.

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Seriously why would we need a Hentai board here? if you want hentai go somewhere else. I mean there is thousands of free sites you can go to to look at it if you're really that desperate. It's not that hard to open a second window so you can look at your hentai while also looking at OB. I mean how hard is it to switch windows.

I'm not against Hentai myself (I'll even admit to having viewed it once or twice) but there are some places where it's acceptable and some places that are not. OB is one imo where it is not. And setting up and running a passworded forum is not as easy as it may sound. I know I've set up/run forums before. To avoid having to give out the password to every single person that wants to enter is time consuming as you need to check up everyone's age. Even then to avoid having to give out passwords and all you can set up a user group for that thread but even that is time consuming as you still need to check everyone's age who requests. But you still don't know who has signed up using an older age. I know I did once or twice when i was younger.

As a third point every country has different age limits for viewing porn/hentai as well. some countries it's 21, some it's 18, some it's i don't even know. Then it's a matter of working out whether you'd set the age as a consistent bracket, like say 21 for everyone no matter where you are from. ratings also change from Country to country. I know US has a X rating where as where I'm from R18+ is the highest rating.

Oh I also say it's pointless requesting because even if it does happen and and it gets locked down with a p'word or a user group "as refusal/rejection may offend."

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[quote name='Aaryanna_Mom']Just as Nerdsy said that you are irrelevant, you lost creditability by assuming that Allamorph was making things up since he had something to say, instead of taking the time to refute what he wrote. Also there is a big difference between mature RPG (which by the way are rated) And X rated materials that by law cannot be provided to members who are minors.[/quote]

Listen Aaryanna_Mom, I have lost no credability; there is simply no way that I am wading through Allamorph's ridiculous post. Allamorph has to learn to be concise with his points; there is no reason why I should have to wade through an essay-length response in order to read and respond to his key points. I simply do not have the time to read a very long post from someone who is not a very good poster to begin with; it would be torture. Perhaps if he quotes himself and bolds the key points, I'll give him a try.

[quote]I find it interesting that you would not only force your tastes on others but also require them to upgrade to be able to browse the internet at the same ability you do. Perhaps it is you who needs to get with the times and realize that hentai is not a good choice for OB due to the liability issues as well as driving away other members who have no interest. I fail to see the fun in forcing others to be exposed to a medium they do not enjoy or to have to get better Internet to even browse. And remember kiddies, and I do mean kiddies, there are still millions of people who do not live in big towns. Who do not have things like cable Internet and so forth. Lets not become elitist and arrogant due to having better services. That will only alienate a good number of people instead of making the boards more fun.[/quote]

Let me put it this way: I do not like Manga, but the inclusion of the Manga Workshop on OtakuBoards has not driven me from the site. There are several forums here that I do not care about--and yet here I am. If somoene does not want to discuss hentai, then I can not say this any more plainly--they do not have to visit the forum. Just because I do not want Manga on OtakuBoards does not mean that I whine and stomp my feet and deprive those of you who do enjoy it from discussing it on OB, like some of the people in this thread.

I also do not get this whole "go somewhere else for it!" argument. This is OtakuBoards and I want it here. That is what the suggestions forum is for. I am not suggesting what I want to see on other sites; I am trying to change this site.

Also, you are going overboard with what I said. We are not talking about wallpaper-sized signatures; just a healthy increase. You act as if every thread on OtakuBoards gets hundres of replies. Many only go for two, modestly-sized pages. It's not a big deal.

[quote]And before anyone else thinks that your group is all for bringing about fun to OB. It seems that poor Prem who was at least willing to question things, to think for himself was ruthlessly slaughtered by your group. I wonder what other poor souls will fall should any of you come into power. And OB become the fun place that you have envisioned.[/QUOTE]

Very eloquent, young lady. However, before you make "poor" Premonition some kind of martyr, let me ask you something. Did you not private message me, complaining about the language some of the people in a certain RPG were using? And were you aware that after I made my announcement instructing members not to use inappropriate language, Premonition still used it? I was forced to edit out the "f" word, uncensored out of his posts. But, of course, you probably were not aware of that. You were probably not aware that there were deeper reasons for his removal.

I'm sorry I'm such a bad guy though!

Also, Shy's "dare' is unreasonable. Why use his "dare" as a measuring stick when many here will hesitate to participate in the hentai thread because they are embarrassed due to the backlash here or the simple fact that Shy himself is publicly discouraging numerous members' participation?

Lastly, if people did not want hentai on OB, we wouldn't have a thread with over 100 replies already.

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[quote name='Charles]Listen Aaryanna_Mom, I have lost no credability; there is simply no way that I am wading through Allamorph's ridiculous post. Allamorph has to learn to be concise with his points; there is no reason why I should have to wade through an essay-length response in order to read and respond to his key points. I simply do not have the time to read a very long post from someone who is not a very good poster to begin with; it would be torture. Perhaps if he quotes himself and bolds the key points, I'll give him a try.[/QUOTE] :animesigh What do they teach kids these days? Allamorph's post doesn't even come close to an essay and took me all of about five minutes to read. And please, even though it's a game there's no need to insult him by saying he's not a good poster.[QUOTE=Charles']Let me put it this way: I do not like Manga, but the inclusion of the Manga Workshop on OtakuBoards has not driven me from the site. There are several forums here that I do not care about--and yet here I am. If somoene does not want to discuss hentai, then I can not say this any more plainly--they do not have to visit the forum. Just because I do not want Manga on OtakuBoards does not mean that I whine and stomp my feet and deprive those of you who do enjoy it from discussing it on OB, like some of the people in this thread.[/quote]In the end both sides are whining and stomping their feet's. Lets not forget that.[QUOTE=Charles]I also do not get this whole "go somewhere else for it!" argument. This is OtakuBoards and I want it here. That is what the suggestions forum is for. I am not suggesting what I want to see on other sites; I am trying to change this site.

Also, you are going overboard with what I said. We are not talking about wallpaper-sized signatures; just a healthy increase. You act as if every thread on OtakuBoards gets hundres of replies. Many only go for two, modestly-sized pages. It's not a big deal.[/QUOTE]Why? We go elsewhere for all sorts of services or products. Somewhere you need to draw the line and quit adding things to a site. It makes sense, to keep things from becoming too cluttered. If people really love hentai so much why would they want a site that would barely touch it when they could go to one that specialized in covering it? There's nothing stopping any of you from having a non x rated thread and discussing different shows that you like.[QUOTE=Charles]Very eloquent, young lady. However, before you make "poor" Premonition some kind of martyr, let me ask you something. Did you not private message me, complaining about the language some of the people in a certain RPG were using? And were you aware that after I made my announcement instructing members not to use inappropriate language, Premonition still used it? I was forced to edit out the "f" word, uncensored out of his posts. But, of course, you probably were not aware of that. You were probably not aware that there were deeper reasons for his removal.

I'm sorry I'm such a bad guy though!

Also, Shy's "dare' is unreasonable. Why use his "dare" as a measuring stick when many here will hesitate to participate in the hentai thread because they are embarrassed due to the backlash here or the simple fact that Shy himself is publicly discouraging numerous members' participation?

Lastly, if people did not want hentai on OB, we wouldn't have a thread with over 100 replies already.[/QUOTE]You're right I did complain about that. And no your right I was not aware. But while we are at it. Even though this is suppose to be part of an RPG. My claiming he was slaughtered was meant to be in character. Right now I'm going to go out of character.

Even if it's meant to be fun. It has ceased to be fun. We need to declare a winner of this thread and move on. Perhaps it's the topic, perhaps it's because people are coming across as being to serious. Either way. This for me is no longer fun at all. :animesigh

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[quote name='Charles']Lastly, if people did not want hentai on OB, we wouldn't have a thread with over 100 replies already.[/quote][size=1]Conversely I could say there is a demand for an anti-hentai forum, based solely on the amount of replies this thread has received.

So where's my anti-hentai forum?

-Shy[/size]

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[quote name='Aaryanna_Mom']Either way. This for me is no longer fun at all. :animesigh[/quote]

[font=tahoma]It is a shame, I too feel that certain members are letting the elements of this debate pierce a little too close to home. This debate has been very one sided for a while now though, with the terrorists arguably losing faith in their once seemingly adamant convictions.

I have my own opinions about a lot of the posts here made by members of both parties, but i'm sure the last thing this debate is meant to do is cause tension between people outside of the challenge.[/font]

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Why don't we just call quits for this debate, then?

There's not going to be a hentai forum in OB, not now, not ever, and each and every one of you knows it. Problem solved.

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[quote name='Aaryanna_Mom']:animesigh What do they teach kids these days? Allamorph's post doesn't even come close to an essay and took me all of about five minutes to read. And please, even though it's a game there's no need to insult him by saying he's not a good poster.[/quote]

I don't want to beat this one point to death or seem too hostile here, but after reading this, I thought that my mind had played tricks on me and that maybe my memory was making me exaggerate the length of his post. But, upon re-reading it, I just do not know where you are coming from. I have a BA in English; I have written [I]plenty[/I] of essays. Allamorph's post took up five pages in Microsoft Works, single-spaced, without the quotes, with a size ten font. If I converted his post to the typical MLA format, it would probably be about ten pages.

My entire point (and everyone seems to be missing it) is that it should not take that many words to argue this idea.

[quote]In the end both sides are whining and stomping their feet's. Lets not forget that.Why? We go elsewhere for all sorts of services or products. Somewhere you need to draw the line and quit adding things to a site. It makes sense, to keep things from becoming too cluttered. If people really love hentai so much why would they want a site that would barely touch it when they could go to one that specialized in covering it? There's nothing stopping any of you from having a non x rated thread and discussing different shows that you like.[/quote]

Not exactly. I will agree that some people on our side have been a little brash, but there is one aspect of this entire discussion that I find hilarious, even still. The opposing side to this debate constantly cries that our side is being too serious, or that we are losing interest, or that we should simply go somewhere else for hentai (which contradicts the very point of an anime message board), or that the entire argument is one-sided, or that there is no chance in hell of the suggestion ever being considered for OtakuBoards. I would say that the only thing that is one-sided is a bit of arrogance in that last statement. As Semjaza said, it is easy to sit back and argue to keep things the way they are, while saying that a new idea has no chance of ever being adopted; it is much harder to convince people who have no intention of wanting to be convinced despite whatever logic is thrown at them.

While your side of the debate is "no longer having fun," yet constantly posting, we are bringing up valid points that are continuously being glossed over When we bring up silly points like "fapping" while surfing OB, it is argued as if it were a serious point. lol

Whether or not we will ever have such a forum is not what tickles me-- fact that we are establishing a better argument here is what surprises me most of all.

[quote]You're right I did complain about that. And no your right I was not aware. But while we are at it. Even though this is suppose to be part of an RPG. My claiming he was slaughtered was meant to be in character. Right now I'm going to go out of character.

Even if it's meant to be fun. It has ceased to be fun. We need to declare a winner of this thread and move on. Perhaps it's the topic, perhaps it's because people are coming across as being to serious. Either way. This for me is no longer fun at all. :animesigh[/QUOTE]

I mainly brought that up because you mentioned Premonition's slaughter more than once within the discussion. You referred to our argument as a "mob mentality." I was merely disspelling that argument.

And as I said, no one is being forced to post in this thread right now; I mean that in the nicest way possible. If you are not having fun, do not post in the thread and let it die. I honestly think that it's the people lamenting over how serious others are that are coming off as the most serious here. lol

Come on Aaryanna_Mom, give me a hug. :catgirl:

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Hello kids--Barney the Dinosaur here--I'm here so we can all sing an I-love-you-song to us 18+ year-old-kids! Hey kids--did you realize that sometimes some kids grow up, such as the Barney the Dinosaur right here? Did you kids have the professionalism to view hentai in a differing light than what the parentals said, and did you do it not to be rebels without a cause, but with a cause? I know I did kids! And for it I've been turned into a mediator zombie-like dinosaur manifestation of meekness and kindness so prehistoric one finds it in a man named Nietzsche 200-so years dead to my typing of this; not to mention many other men who were Barney the Dinosaurs. So you kind of like Christian morality or a morality in general--which makes people decide hentai is badstuff and makes them forget to be human beings, and instead act like they're justified in having a non-comprehensivist mind and saying it's "God's love" or"hentai is not right"--isn't that so cute of you? So I say to you--I love you, I love hentai, I love [i]being an adult of you 18+ children[/i]--we're an unhappy OB family, because we won't let OB grow beyond its 16 year-old-moorings, won't you say you want a hentai forum too?

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[font=comic sans ms]I've never been too good in debating so majority of the times I don't really voice my opinions. (Most of the times I don't care about the topic anyway.)

Anyways, I don't really have much to say about the hentai forum suggestion since I don't really care whether we get one or not. And since I don't have an interest in it, like many other forums on this board, I won't go to them. So, poo on that issue.

As far as a banner and avatar size increase. It depends on the size we're talking. I saw a post from The Boss saying something along the size of 600x1000. Now hopefully he was just joking. (I'm a serious guy and don't really find too many things amusing. I know, I need to live a little.) I'm a 56k/dial-up user and don't really have too many issues with loading/lagging problems, but I also don't want to have to stare at pictures that'll stretch my screen. While I could use the option to turn off signatures, I don't want to because I like to look at signatures.

In any case, I'm all for an increase in sigs and avatars, but atleast be reasonable with it.[/font]

Edit: My bad Sakura, and everyone else who said what I said, or something similar to it. I just read more of the posts that were in it. Heh.

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What is this? The Blue Jihad travels for a day...returns and finds...this? It stirs disgust and anger. There are claws unsheathed, yet those claws are dulled.

The mighty CTU has fallen! And oh how high and mighty they began. The easy argument was theirs; they cradled it in their hands and kissed it tenderly. The taste was sweet upon their lips. But lo, what has become of them? They point and yell, and cry foul? Oh, certainly! Without a doubt the mad king's army had the advantage, for they were fighting for uncharted lands; they were pushing for change. They were fighting the status quo.

Spare us, the mad king's guerillas, your mind-drivel haze. Cry not for your weaknesses. Proclaim nothing but that you came here--entered this arena--believing yourselves to be gods. You were given the task of arguing nothing more than keeping the status quo...and you failed more miserably than the beast has ever seen in his years of travel. The arena was unfair? The grounds were favored to us? We, the mad king's army, gave you absurdities? Bah! Silence yourselves before your petty rationalizations echo 'round these boards, for even with the maniacal and absurd, you CTUs failed...and you will suffer the consequences.

If there still lives any doubt within you, take heed of important words:

[QUOTE=Semjaza][i]Most importantly[/i], arguing that this place is "family" friendly when I can find numerous threads about sexually explicit (which apparently is on a fine line before it crosses into "unacceptable" for whatever reason) or hyper-violent anime within a minute seems rather fruitless. Let's not even discuss the Arena, where violence and swearing have become almost the de facto standard.

So, I guess if you see no contradictions between saying it's "OK" for me to imagine and continuously write about a character that abuses women, tortures animals, has a weird blood obsession and explicitly and violently kills large groups of people, while simultaneously telling me that it's not "OK" for me to talk about fictional tentacle sex then we're on a totally different plane of existence.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Charles]While your side of the debate is "no longer having fun," yet constantly posting, we are bringing up valid points that are continuously being glossed over When we bring up silly points like "fapping" while surfing OB, it is argued as if it were a serious point. lol

Whether or not we will ever have such a forum is not what tickles me-- fact that we are establishing a better argument here is what surprises me most of all.[/quote]

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[FONT=Arial][QUOTE=Charles]Listen Aaryanna_Mom, I have lost no credability; there is simply no way that I am wading through Allamorph's ridiculous post. Allamorph has to learn to be concise with his points; [U]there is no reason why I should have to wade through an essay-length response in order to read and respond to his key points.[/U] I simply do not have the time to read a very long post from someone who is not a very good poster to begin with; it would be torture. Perhaps if he quotes himself and bolds the key points, I'll give him a try.

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I don't want to beat this one point to death or seem too hostile here, but after reading this, I thought that my mind had played tricks on me and that maybe my memory was making me exaggerate the length of his post. But, upon re-reading it, I just do not know where you are coming from. I have a BA in English; I have written plenty of essays. Allamorph's post took up five pages in Microsoft Works, single-spaced, without the quotes, with a size ten font. If I converted his post to the typical MLA format, it would probably be about ten pages.

[U]My entire point (and everyone seems to be missing it) is that it should not take that many words to argue this idea.[/U][/QUOTE]
You, my friend, are suffering from an interesting affliction. You will not see the trees before you because you are wasting your time looking at both the forest and the acorns on its floor.

You feel you can dismiss me because of my length and the amount of my words, but with both of these [I][U]excuses[/U][/I] you reveal your immaturity. If you had [I]bothered[/I] to read even the first "page", you would realize that my points are indeed very concise, because they are counterpoints to your own.

There were twenty individual points, each one nullifying an argument you yourself had presented before it. The longest two were the discussion of whether or not you have the 'right' to hentai here (you do not) and the discussion of whether or not small banners are unfairly artistically restrictive (they are not).

Be a good boy, and take your medicine. Otherwise, this discussion is over, and your points lay as fallen, destroyed.

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[quote name='Papa Smurf']Spare us, the mad king's guerillas, your mind-drivel haze. Cry not for your weaknesses. Proclaim nothing but that you came here--entered this arena--believing yourselves to be gods. You were given the task of arguing nothing more than keeping the status quo...and you failed more miserably than the beast has ever seen in his years of travel. The arena was unfair? The grounds were favored to us? We, the mad king's army, gave you absurdities? Bah! Silence yourselves before your petty rationalizations echo 'round these boards, for even with the maniacal and absurd, you CTUs failed...and you will suffer the consequences.[/quote]
Begone, foul demon! You hold no sway here, and your ravings are as meaningless as the one who gave you spawn. Your master is afraid to face his own destruction, and so you are shackled, though you cannot see your own chains. Begone!, and defile this place no more.[/FONT]

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