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[FONT=Trebuchet MS][COLOR=DarkGreen]I just noticed this (because I'm so perceptive and all), but a lot of people on the 'boards have crushes on anime characters. I have never had one on an anime character and I'm incredibly interested in knowing why someone would find a 2-dimensional image of someone they've never met (and know doesn't exist) to be an object of desire. Its just odd to me.

Have you ever had a crush on an anime character and why?[/COLOR][/FONT]

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[SIZE=1]And I my men real too.
I personally am infatuated with Vash the Stampede.
Why you ask?
Here's my reasons why:
[list]
[*] It was the first anime I've ever watched.(Sailor Moon or DBZ doesn't count to me)
[*]I'm compared to him every day by my friends.
[*]I love Trigun.
[*]I like his personality; his attitude and perception of life.
[*]Plus, he's just a random spaz like I.
[/list]
That's the clean version anyway. xDD
But yeah. I think it might be the reason why us females have crushes on anime characters is because they have qualities (whether physical or personality/mental wise) that no male that we find have.

Had to put my two cents in.
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[COLOR=DarkRed]As long as they look human, people can be attracted to them, I remember back in the day a lot of people had a thing for Jessica Rabbit, and way before that Betty Boop (I'm not THAT old :mad: )[/COLOR]

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[color=dimgray] Having actual crushes on anime characters is just sad. You can [i]like[/i] a fictional person because of their aesthetic or character, but to actually crush on them is incredibly weird.

But then again, a lot of people can confuse crushing and liking.[/color]

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[COLOR=RoyalBlue][QUOTE=Curse][SIZE=1]But yeah. I think it might be the reason why us females have crushes on anime characters is because they have qualities (whether physical or personality/mental wise) that no male that we find have.

Had to put my two cents in.
[/SIZE][/QUOTE]Or perhaps qualities of someone they know in real life who is not interested in them? [quote name='Lunox][color=dimgray'] But then again, a lot of people can confuse crushing and liking.[/color][/quote]That's what I've always wondered. Since even though there are anime characters that I do like, in the end they aren't real. lol So it's not quite the same as having a crush on some who acutally is real. I may like them but I certainly don't desire them. ^_~[/COLOR]

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[color=dimgray] Yeah, I mean, I love tons of fictional characters. It doesn't mean I have a crush on them. And when I say 'like', I don't even mean it in the slightest romantic way. [/color]

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[quote name='Farto the Magic][FONT=Trebuchet MS][COLOR=DarkGreen] I have never had one on an anime character and I'm incredibly interested in knowing why someone would find a 2-dimensional image of someone they've never met (and know doesn't exist) to be an object of desire.[/COLOR'][/FONT][/quote]

[COLOR=DarkOrange]Every time I read this sentence, i want to throw up. Every time someone brings up this topic it's always the same thing.

Anywho, as the type of fan who looks at hentai, anime doujin, talks about characters in a disturbing fashion, hands out with people who are too old to be liking these characters (thank god I'm still only 15) and obsesses over characters -- you can guess what my answer to this question.

It's not like I'm in love with these characters or something - I just think they are hot. You might say 'oh fake girls are not hot', but that's just your thing. It's not like I don't find any real girls attractive or something, and even if I didn't, it's still a matter of preference.

It's like if you pointed to a woman with huge breasts and said 'she's hot'. If I disagree, it's just cuz I don't like big boobs (and I don't, usually.) the same goes for anime characters. I think some of them are hot, and that's my preference, maybe not yours. It just so happens that more anime girls fall into my personal range of preference than real girls. Oh well.[/COLOR]

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[quote name='Farto the Magic][FONT=Trebuchet MS][COLOR=DarkGreen]Have you ever had a crush on an anime character and why?[/COLOR][/FONT][/QUOTE]Well seeing that my first thought was they're not real I would say no. [QUOTE=Lunox][color=dimgray'] Yeah, I mean, I love tons of fictional characters. It doesn't mean I have a crush on them. And when I say 'like', I don't even mean it in the slightest romantic way. [/color][/quote]I agree, there are lots of characters from books and shows that I like and outright love reading about them, but it's not romantic in any way. It's more that I love how the author made them seem so real in that you could imagine meeting them. So I really admire the skill of the person who created the fictional characters as well as the fictional world they live in.

I've heard lots of people refer to anime characters as being hot, cute, adorable and such, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have a crush on them, though I'm sure some of them do. But I'm of the opinion, at least in my case, usually it's something about the personality traits that I admire instead of the actual fictional character. Otherwise I'd be in trouble since I really like the character Shigure from Fruits Basket and I'm a straight guy. I just get a kick out of his perverted side and the way he torments his editor. Just as I like the naive Tohru Honda. But I most definitely do not have a crush on either one. lol

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well by my name you can kind of guess who one of my crushes is. i don't know what makes them so appealing.... probably because they're not human so they're more perfect than human. but that's just my guess. i usually have a thing for the bad guyz like Itachi or Deidara but it's usually their voice or eyes that are most appealing such as Chazz Princeton, Bankotsu or Roy Mustang.

~the Akatsuki are Watching~
*Ustez*

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[SIZE=1]I think I'm echoing some of what has already been said, but I'm not at all clear about the terms being used here (I've harped on the love problem before, but it bears repeating).

I don't think anyone would deny that for many people there is some kind of... [i]attention[/i] ("attraction" and "desire" seem too loaded) given to animated characters. Madarame [URL=http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7825/genshikenjj5.gif][u]makes a case for this[/u][/URL] in an episode of Genshiken (warning, animated gif contains nsfw language etc.). What's unclear is whether the "attention" here is the same thing as full-on love. The word "crush" is difficult to pin down on this (it's pretty recent, as I recall, I think it first showed up at the turn of the 20th century).

For my money, the distinction here isn't between "real" and "fake" people - that is, if someone has a crush on a character in a TV show, I don't think it makes any difference whatsoever whether the show is live action or animated. In both cases what is seen is basically [i]separated[/i] from the viewer, who always sees them through a pane of glass and with all the flash of modern production. This basically breaks down the "real porn versus hentai" question, which for the most part is not a meaningful distinction.

The phrase "object of desire" is useful, because the word "object" has a long history which I can use to explain what I'm getting at. Object comes from [i]ob-[/i], "against," plus [i]jacere[/i], "throw." The earlier meaning is retained in the legal use ("I object, your honor!"). An object is something that is [i]thrown against[/i] me, that is, presented to my attention as something from outside of myself that "heads in my direction" (this is how the term is used prior to the 19th century). An object always resists me in a certain sense (I feel it, but only by the surface which pushes me back; I see it, but only on the outside), and always has the sense of being alien. For the same reason, though, there's nothing really [i]at stake[/i] when I deal with objects. I can "enjoy" them and be affected by them, certainly; I can shuffle objects around in any way I want, and (because they're alien) I won't hear any complaints.

It probably says a lot about us today that what we usually mean by "love" is a certain relation to an object. Now, that's what I think is being described whenever we talk about being "attracted" to those beings we see behind the glass, or to anyone (or anything) else we experience in this way... but I don't think that's what love is. There's a sense to love that is very different from alien somethings that are just "thrown against" me (even ones that I find really sexy). When I touch the one I love I don't feel a "resistance," not even a pleasurable one. The experience is difficult to describe: I would say that I am [i]accepted[/i] by him or her. I am "allowed in" in a way which never happens with mere objects - though not in a way that me and the one I love are just united into one thing, which would ruin everything. Again, I don't really know how to put it, and "acceptance" is probably the best I can do. When I touch him or her, or when they say "I love you," I don't just feel pleasure or passion: who I am as a person is [i]affirmed[/i], i.e. I find that my existence is [i]meaningful[/i] in a way that I didn't realize before.

Anyways, I think this is a useful distinction to make (which might not be initially obvious, because the language is confused). So, to return to the initial question: is it possible for someone to have an anime character as an "object of desire"? Definitely; I think Madarame is right on about this. Is it possible for someone to [i]love[/i] an anime character? Not how I mean it, no; not unless there's a way to touch them and hear their voice speaking to us, which is always prevented by the barrier of glass.[/SIZE]

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[QUOTE=Fasteriskhead][SIZE=1]
For my money, the distinction here isn't between "real" and "fake" people - that is, if someone has a crush on a character in a TV show, I don't think it makes any difference whatsoever whether the show is live action or animated.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
I agree with most of your post, but even if we grant that there's not a core difference in the nature of how people feel about the character, you're brushing off important perceived distinctions. For instance, people who have a crush on a character in a live-action production almost invariably have a crush on the actor as well. If that actor turns out to be reprehensible in some regard, the disillusionment tends to extend to the character as well. (And to think I used to be a Tom Cruise fan...)

In addition to the narratives of the shows/movies/etc. in which they appear, live-action actors are constantly engaged in the meta-narrative of their actual lives, which get distorted or selectively reported into tabloid soap operas that plenty of people find at least as engaging as their fictional work. The more out there and recognizable the actor is, the thinner the illusion of fiction on camera and the greater the illusion of reality in Us Weekly. There's nothing comparable for anime characters--figures and doujin are all very well, but it's not the same as going to a film because it has Angelina Jolie and then fanning yourself over her as her character.

Your pane of glass analogy holds truer for anime than for live-action stuff. People have a much greater sense of being able to get close to human actors, whether through getting autographs or stalking them or just reading magazines. There are (rather scary) people who consider love toward an actor they've never met to be totally legitimate. Chances are that this love is based mainly on his/her characters with maybe a sprinkling of whatever they've been able to glean from People.

The closest you get to this in anime are seiyuu, but the character and actor are (for most people) clearly divided, and the actor doesn't own the character in the same way. You can be a huge fan of a character without being able to recognize her seiyuu's face.

Crushes on live-action actors involve as much "resistance," as you put it, as crushes on anime characters. (The lack of resistance is what makes people with life-size "wife" dolls so damn creepy.) The fact that people don't view them the same way is, perversely, what makes them different. The mirage of realness in anime stops when the show ends; the mirage of realness in live-action material never ends as long as there's an actor there to bridge the gap. The issue is that some people genuinely don't know what it's like to be in a two-way relationship. (Hence those awful dolls.)

Nice gif, by the by.

~Dagger~

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[QUOTE=Dagger]I agree with most of your post, but even if we grant that there's not a core difference in the nature of how people feel about the character, you're brushing off important perceived distinctions. For instance, people who have a crush on a character in a live-action production almost invariably have a crush on the actor as well. If that actor turns out to be reprehensible in some regard, the disillusionment tends to extend to the character as well. (And to think I used to be a Tom Cruise fan...)
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[color=dimgray] Very true. (Except only instance in which this didn't happen to me was the portrayal of Mr. Darcy by Colin Firth and Matthew McFayden- I guess I like book Darcy the best. :D)

But to define 'crush' is something that leaves me in a mess. There's no accurate way to describe it, as it's simply a feeling of affection or wanting. I think people use this word too lightly, and say "I have a crush on _______" when they simply like their [i]character[/i].

It's my personal opinion that people who say they have actual crushes on anime characters, or any fictional character, are not being truthful about it. If someone proclaimed that they had a crush on, for example, Sasuke from Naruto, that 'crush' would not measure up to a crush the person would have on a fellow student or friend.

I mean, if it [i]does[/i], I don't think that person is mentally healthy. Don't take this as "I think these people are insane", but there's something wrong if a person finds the oftentimes two-dimensional character of a fictional person a serious object of romantic affection. You can find an aesthetic appeal of lust or beauty in a fictional character, or love the way the crafter built the personality of the character, but to think about the character when someone asks you "who are you going to ask to prom?" is simply a ridiculous notion. [/color]

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[QUOTE=Dagger]I agree with most of your post, but even if we grant that there's not a core difference in the nature of how people feel about the character, you're brushing off important perceived distinctions. For instance, people who have a crush on a character in a live-action production almost invariably have a crush on the actor as well. If that actor turns out to be reprehensible in some regard, the disillusionment tends to extend to the character as well. (And to think I used to be a Tom Cruise fan...)
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Your pane of glass analogy holds truer for anime than for live-action stuff. People have a much greater sense of being able to get close to human actors, whether through getting autographs or stalking them or just reading magazines.[/QUOTE][SIZE=1]I think you're right. It's definitely an interesting wrinkle in the (very rough) scheme I've tried to sketch out that celebrities become "characters" themselves who are associated with characters they have played, and in some sense have the glass following them wherever they go. (I have formerly seen something like this at convention signings. People always expect to witness "crazy" fans, which I have never seen and which to me is less interesting. What strikes me as freaky is seeing many of the people in line look at the famous signer as if there was something fuzzy and unreal about them, as if they were only half-there - or, grinning like they've just found a peephole into the girls' locker room)

By talking about the "pane of glass" in this way, of course, I'm not only talking about television but using that as an illustration for what a relation to an object is like more generally. This is being a bit disingenuous, because the range of these kinds of relations is [i]so huge[/i] that cramming them all into one group is probably straining things. What I mean to suggest is not "how close" the audience feels they can get to a certain character (including actor-characters), but the fact that they [i]are an audience[/i] to begin with. They encounter the other as something alien, an ob-ject that resists them. It's not in spite of this resistance that they experience the other as sexy, as handsome, as kick-*ss, as "moe," or as the one who's going to marry them (or whatever), but [i]because[/i] of it. Resistance here doesn't mean that the object doesn't do what I want. Actually, its resistance gives me [i]pleasure[/i] (i.e. allows me to please myself) in that I can put the resisting thing under my control and do what I want with it. (This initially seems strange, but you can't ever really control anything that isn't resistant. I'm using "control" in a strange sense. Think of a baby stuffing whatever it can into its mouth and you'll get the idea: it wouldn't bother if the things weren't chewable).*

Certainly you're going to have stronger associations between live actors and their characters versus VAs, but the more basic issue I'm trying to point out, the "glass barrier," is that I experience the characters (and the actors themselves, insofar as I see them too as a kind of character) first and most fundamentally as objects. Whether I remain a casual fan or I become crazed with desire, both are first made possible on this basis. I'm not saying that this [i]always[/i] happens - surely some people out there can talk to actors normally - but when it does, I think this describes roughly how it goes.

[quote name='Dagger']Nice gif, by the by.[/quote]Thanks, although it's not mine. Why aren't there more Genshiken fans around here, anyways?


* But the one I love [i]doesn't[/i] resist me, which is completely alarming. He or she is not an object. But if love can't be described in terms of resistance and control, or pleasure, then it becomes hell of difficult to talk about.[/SIZE]

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Sometimes it's just a side effect of the writers trying to make the characters relatable. At least that's what I think on the topic. I'm no expert, but if you learn to relate and sympathize with these characters then having an actual attachment manifest itself is almost guaranteed to happen every now and again.

Don't get me wrong here, I prefer my girls made of flesh and bone, but some people just like that emotional investment they have in the character. I'm sure all of us have emotionally invested ourselves in some show or movie at one point or another. I mean I remember crying at the end of Armageddon when I first saw that.

Obviously there are degrees and boundaries that shouldn't be breached, but I don't see a problem with people putting some kind of emotional investment into a character. If anything it's a sign of humanity. Were emotional creatures and easily swayed by them.

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[QUOTE=i.luv.kiba]well by my name you can kind of guess who one of my crushes is. i don't know what makes them so appealing.... probably because they're not human so they're more perfect than human. but that's just my guess. i usually have a thing for the bad guyz like Itachi or Deidara but it's usually their voice or eyes that are most appealing such as Chazz Princeton, Bankotsu or Roy Mustang.

~the Akatsuki are Watching~
*Ustez*[/QUOTE]I never really had a crush i liked them sure but i wasnt infatuated with the character i just liked haruko from FLCLs style and attitude also her purpose was to be a love intrest wich made her kinda hot well thats all i have to say about the question seeya :p

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[COLOR=Magenta]I hear this a lot being here on anyone who love anime. For me, I mean hey the guys are hot and have good personalities but I know that they aren't real. I doesn't matter if they have a crush on a character or not. It just means that they really like the character and how it is used in that anime. I mean, think about it. If you have a crush on an anime character then just picture them in another anime with a different personality and such to fit that particular anime.

It changes. I don't mean to be rude to those that do have crushes on anime characters but that just means that you really like how that character is. I have a friend that knows nothing of anime and she loved this one guy character that was super buff. I could go on and on on this but what I'm saying to all of those that have crushes on anime characters, is that you want to find someone that is just like that character. I have already and he may not have the same face but he does have the same funny personality that I'm attracted to.

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[COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Verdana]Hmmm... Love? Haha. I know well enough that these "Men" in the animes aren't real. I don't really "love" them. I just happen to like who they portray personality wise. My favorite though... Would probably have to be Sanosuke Sagara from Rurouni Kenshin. He acts like this huge tough guy, but deep down he's really a romantic and wants to be loved. Most the guys I know at school are just like him. ^_^;;[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[QUOTE]Originally Posted by [B]Lunox[/B]
It's my personal opinion that people who say they have actual crushes on anime characters, or any fictional character, are not being truthful about it. If someone proclaimed that they had a crush on, for example, Sasuke from Naruto, that 'crush' would not measure up to a crush the person would have on a fellow student or friend.[/QUOTE]
I agree sorta =\ but I think it more likely that the person with the "crush" is really just getting caught up in the moment and getting emotions mixed up due to some other force. Emotions from the past of someone they liked b4? or maybe just something simple like being lonely...

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by [B]True Angel[/B]
I'm saying to all of those that have crushes on anime characters, is that you want to find someone that is just like that character.[/QUOTE]
I think you hit it right on the dot

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[B][COLOR=Green]((((( okay i know these next few senteces are gunna make me sound like a total wack job but it might help the cause here))))))

okay, i know alot of you are saying "oh they're just caught up in the moment" and "they don't know what real love is" and true that's the case for most people....but not all.

some of us really DO love the characters as one would love a human being. true they're not real but alot of writers base their characters off of real people. close enough is good enough for me. most characters like Uchiha Itachi and Roy Mustang i just like as in "oh they're cute". because in real life you don't really love too many people w/ that sort of passion. if you do you have problems (like i'm one to talk right?).

Kiba is a different story. i actually DO love him. i know i know very very wrong of me but i can't help it. you know how when you see a person you like your face gets hot and your heart pounds really hard? when i see Kiba that's what happens. usually it ends w/ me running around the house w/ a can of Mountain Dew trying to calm myself down.

it really is hard to explain though. personally i've given up on real life men i'll go single for the rest of my life thank you very much. you can blame Ricky Zwivel for the way i am right now (stupid short perverted kid! MAY HE BURN!). so where else am i to turn? the real world i've totally given up on so that just leaves my last escape route....anime.

......like i said you all probably think i'm crazy, idiotic, a complete nut-job, w/e it really doesn't matter to me. and if ya don't believe me bout the whole Kiba thing confirm it w/ my friend FLCLrules. he sees how i am at lunch when Tyrence says something mean about Kiba-kin *smirk[/COLOR]*[/B]

[COLOR=Teal]~the Akatsuki are Watching~
*Ustez*[/COLOR]

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[FONT=Verdana][B]I completely agree with 2007digitalboy! I find some characters hot but I dont think I have ever had a crush on one.For me a crush is having feelings for someone and I dont think I have ever had feelings for a character I know is not real.Dont get me wrong Im drawn to the way the characters act but I dont think I bring it too far.But hey thats just me.[/B][/FONT]

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[SIZE=1]Responding to the real-life actors vs. animated characters debate earlier, crushing on celebrities is just as mentally unhealthy as giving the same sort of attention to a character (whether it be animated or live-action). With both celebrities and characters, there is nothing reciprocated between the "object" and the fan. You can't even say it's an unrequited attraction because there's no real relationship established in the first place. It doesn't matter how much the fan learns about the celebrity, whether they read every tabloid article or interview featuring the celebrity, or if they've attended countless autograph signings or something because the fan will [I]never[/I] fully know them as a person. All the fan ever sees is the celebrity's public persona, and [I]that[/I] is what the fan is truly attracted to, not the celebrity themself.

That said, I don't think actor/celebrity crushes even apply to this particular topic because although they are equally unhealthy, there's a very large difference between crushing on a celebrity and crushing on a character. Saying this from personal experience, even though you can't ever [I]know[/I] them, the fact that celebrities can directly acknowledge their fans and that celebrities are actual people (not representations of something or [I]things[/I] with traits forced upon them to serve a specific purpose in a story) makes a very distinct difference from when a fan is giving "attention" to a character.

Live-action actors would only apply in this case if the fan was so obsessed with a character that the fan imposed the character's personality onto the actor who portrayed it, which from what I understand rarely happens. The cases in which fans get obsessed with celebrities to the point of stalking usually only occur when the fan is obsessed with the celebrity themself, [I]not[/I] the characters they portray.

The "attention" most fangirls (and fanboys for that matter) give to characters is usually a combination of physical attraction and liking certain aspects of their personality, mannerisms, etc. Most fans are not quite so delusional as to think they can have an actual relationship with an animated character, and with that in mind, I don't really know why giving "attention" to an animated character is considered to be so strange. Clearly, there is a reason why the vast majority of anime leads are bishounen and bishoujo; just like with live-action works, it's eyecandy, and it apparently works.[/SIZE]

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Well there are a lot of good posts on this topic but i think iv come to the conclusion that its pretty much impossible to have feelings for an anime character the way you would for a real human being. That is for the average person with semi normal experiences in life. I dont know about if its impossible all together seeing as iv never felt anything like that b4 myself, but ill say that maybe it is possible for someone who experiences some sorta extreme trauma to feel "that way" for an anime character. I guess a trauma if bad enough could make a person do quite a few things out of the norm.

Even if what u look at what i.luv.kiba said
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by [B]i.luv.kiba[/B]
personally i've given up on real life men i'll go single for the rest of my life thank you very much. you can blame Ricky Zwivel for the way i am right now (stupid short perverted kid! MAY HE BURN!). so where else am i to turn? the real world i've totally given up on so that just leaves my last escape route....anime.[/QUOTE]
it just proves that either someone could really "love" an anime character due to the fact that they were traumatized in some weird way or as i already quoted b4
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by [B]Lunox[/B]
It's my personal opinion that people who say they have actual crushes on anime characters, or any fictional character, are not being truthful about it.[/QUOTE]
they are just telling a lie for whatever reason i dunno just crave attention maybe?
which in my opinion is probably likely in 99% of these cases

Im not trying to attack anyone here and i dont want to offend anyone im just telling it how i see it personally

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[quote name='KimmehWolfwood][COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Verdana] My favorite though... Would probably have to be Sanosuke Sagara from Rurouni Kenshin. He acts like this huge tough guy, but deep down he's really a romantic and wants to be loved.[/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]

[COLOR=Magenta]I have friend that likes Sanosuke. She loves him since he's buff and tough looking. She loves guys who look like that and she's looking for someone that looks like him. Anime crushes are hard. I mean, I really love the guys' personalities and I love how they can do other things too like cook, clean, sports, and other stuff too.[/COLOR]

[quote name='Flagg']Well there are a lot of good posts on this topic but i think iv come to the conclusion that its pretty much impossible to have feelings for an anime character the way you would for a real human being. [/quote]

[COLOR=Magenta]Not nessisarily. There are probably a lot of people who have feelings for anime characters. What they don't know is that they probably like them 'cause they know someone that they love in the real world. An maybe there are some that just adore anime characters and that's just their thing. They could love/ like them equally as humans.[/color]

[quote name='Flagg']That is for the average person with semi normal experiences in life. I dont know about if its impossible all together seeing as iv never felt anything like that b4 myself, but ill say that maybe it is possible for someone who experiences some sorta extreme trauma to feel "that way" for an anime character. I guess a trauma if bad enough could make a person do quite a few things out of the norm. [/quote]

[COLOR=Magenta]Flagg, personaly it seems that you don't understand what it means to be loved or love. And it's alright. I have felt that way before a million times and I came to realize that loving someone or something is like loving altogether. You can hung up your thoughts on this and not take any liking to what I'm saying or you can find out for yourself what it means to have a crush. I have many crushes and not all are people. I have a crush on fruit, clothes, shopping and anything a girl loves. It's not like I don't notice guys or anything, I really do notice them and check them out, but what this whole thread is about is how people love anime characters and I've pretty much summed it up right there.[/COLOR]

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[quote name='Sephiroth][COLOR=DarkRed']As long as they look human, people can be attracted to them, I remember back in the day a lot of people had a thing for Jessica Rabbit, and way before that Betty Boop (I'm not THAT old :mad: )[/COLOR][/quote]
people still have crushes on betty boop lol

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yeah it starts really getting creepy when they crush on the character so much they start looking at yaoi and yuri etc.

TO PARENTS
If you have yuri and yaoi in your search thing talk to your kids about it
[INDENT][COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=1][B]oscarX[/B], I merged your posts together, if you wish to add something use the edit button in the lower right hand corner of your post. Do not double post. ~Aaryanna[/SIZE][/COLOR][/INDENT]

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